The Dick Staub Interview: Carmen Renee Berry's Unabashedly Consumerist Handbook to Ecclesiology
The author of The Unauthorized Guide to Choosing a Church helps seekers find their best congregational fit.
posted 7/01/2003 12:00AM
Carmen Renee Berry is most known for her self-help books, such as her bestselling Girlfriends, When Helping You is Hurting Me, and Daddies and Daughters. Now she's turned to a new kind of help book: one that helps readers choose a spiritual home among "the 1.29816 gazillion" denominations available. Brazos Press published The Unauthorized Guide to Choosing a Church in April.
Tell me about your own journey. You started out in a Nazarene church. Then what happened?
I went my own way after college and went to a number of churches—Baptist, Presbyterian, and charismatic churches, and here and there and everywhere. But for the last five years or so I wasn't going to church. I was tired of the whole church thing. I was pretty cynical, very judgmental.
But a very significant thing happened to me in November 1999: A close friend of mine committed suicide. It really shook me up and made me realize that it's kind of cool to be cynical, but it can be real dangerous, too. You really don't grow spiritually when you're busy criticizing and sounding arrogant. I made a big turning point there and opened myself up to looking for a spiritual community.
How did you go about doing that?
First of all, I just opened to it. I visited a few churches, I talked to a few people, and found a really good sub-ministry in a large church. I hung out with those people for several years. The ironic thing is that church has since gone through a big split. Now I'm attending a much smaller church about 20 minutes from where I live.
So the church that brought you back to regular church attendance went through the problems that have led some people to leave church.
Yeah. You know, the thing that really struck me about doing the research for this book is how all the churches that I've included believe in the Trinity and the divinity of Christ. There's a real cohesive basic belief system. But one step out from that and we're all nuts. We fight about anything and everything, from the music, to the doctrine, to the color of the seats. No denomination really is immune to this kind of craziness.
And even if you find a home, no church is stagnant. I mean, new people are coming, old people are going, and all this stuff. And a safe environment could turn out to be a dangerous environment in not too long a time.
What would you say to people who don't sense a strong reason to connect to a church?
I'm not perfect and nobody else in the church is perfect. So if you sit back and just say, Well, I'm going to wait until I find that perfect church, then you're never going to find it.
I think that personal reflection and prayer and having that one-to-one connection with God is critical. The flip side of that is that it doesn't flourish in isolation. There is something about being with other people, disagreeing with other people, being human beings, and sharing the Christian journey that really deepens your relationship with God.
How did looking for a church become writing a book for people looking for a church?
My agent just was stunned that I was going to church. She said, "You've got to write a book on the process and also make it a historical overview." A lot of people go to church simply because somebody invited them to go or they were raised in a church or whatever. We put more effort into picking out a VCR than we do our churches.
And I wanted to give an overview historically and doctrinally so that you could look at the things you believe and ask, What am I doing at this church that doesn't believe this?
July (Web-only) 2003, Vol. 47