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"Is Christianity Good for the World?"
Christopher Hitchens and Douglas Wilson debate.




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Sincerely,

Christopher Hitchens

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From: Douglas Wilson
To: Christopher Hitchens
Re: Is Christianity Good for the World?

I want to begin by thanking you for agreeing to—as the diplomats might put it—a "frank exchange of views." And I certainly want to thank the folks at Christianity Today for hosting us.

P. G. Wodehouse once said that some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant—better left unstirred. I am afraid that I find myself sympathizing with him as I consider atheism. I had been minding my own business on this subject for a number of years when I saw Sam Harris's book on the desk of a colleague, and that led to my book in response, not to mention a review of Richard Dawkins's most recent book, and now a series of responses to your God is Not Great, all culminating in this exchange. I am afraid that my problem is this: The more I stir the bowl, the more certain fumes, mystery meats, and questions keep floating to the surface. Here are a few of them.

Your first point was that the Christian faith cannot credit itself for all that "Love your neighbor" stuff, not to mention the Golden Rule, and the reason for this is that such moral precepts have been self-evident to everybody throughout history who wanted to have a stable society. You then move on to the second point, which contains the idea that the teachings of Christianity are "incredibly immoral." In your book, you make the same point about other religions. Apparently, basic morality is not all that self-evident. So my first question is: Which way do you want to argue this? Do all human societies have a grasp of basic morality, which is the theme of your first point, or has religion poisoned everything, which is the thesis of your book?

The second thing to observe in this regard is that Christians actually do not claim that the gospel has made the world better by bringing us turbo-charged ethical information. There have been ethical advances that are due to the propagation of the faith, but that is not where the action is. Christians believe—as C. S. Lewis argued in The Abolition of Man—that nonbelievers do understand the basics of morality. Paul the apostle refers to the Gentiles, who did not have the law but who nevertheless knew by nature some of the tenets of the law (Rom. 2:14). But the world is not made better because people can understand the ways in which they are being bad. It has to be made better by Good News—we must receive the gift of forgiveness and the resultant ability to live more in conformity to a standard we already knew (but were necessarily failing to meet). So the gospel does not consist of new and improved law. The gospel makes the world better through Good News, not through guilt trips or good advice.

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Konstantin   Posted: May 22, 2007 1:10 AM
Lee, you have failed to answer Jessie's question. Christian consensus on the creeds has nothing to do with moral. What is moral about believing that Jesus is both human and divine, or that he was born of a virgin? Creeds are matters of dogma, not morality. Having said that, I would like you to consider the human cost of achieving the doctrinal conformity which seems so remarkable to you. Throughout the centuries, thousands upon thousands of "heretics" were executed by the Church (Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox) to achieve this conformity. Just read the history books about the murderous actions of the revered Protestant reformers toward those who disagreed with them on inconsequential matters of theology. You will be amazed at their cruelty. So my point is that theological conformity that you claim as your proof of a "moral standard" within Christianity is itself the result of extremely immoral acts on the part of Christian leaders. End of sermon.

Request to Hitchens   Posted: May 21, 2007 9:18 PM
Hitchens, please tell us, since you won't tell Wilson, why your evolved innate conscience carries any objective weight. And then tell us why it is has any ethical jurisdiction over anyone else's innate conscience. And then address this irony: As a naturalist, the best you can say is that supernaturalist religion is not natural, not the proper result of matter in motion, not what evolution was supposed to produce. And yet supernaturalist religion has happened. Chemicals in motion have given birth to an almost universal belief in deity and afterlife among humans. So how would you go about arguing against the innateness of belief in deity when it is, well, so seemingly innate? Why do you get to pick and choose which innatenesses are the correct innatenesses? To make it more specific, why is my own innate conviction to believe in God not authoritative for you, while your convictions are for me? We know why *you* don't like Xianity, but you're supposed to convince others (see debate title).

Ken Barber   Posted: May 20, 2007 3:37 PM
I do not concur that Christopher has taken on "heavyweights", although I love his fearless denunciation of the 'straw man' of religious humanism which champions an eternally offended God Who tortures the work of His Own creation - especially those He made in His image! I look forward to the day when Christopher, along with all of mankind, including me, will fully discover that we so easily 'strain at gnats and swallow camels" - and that God, and His Christ, is great. The wine will flow (and maybe grace will allow for us to enjoy a glass or two of Johnnie Walker, I speak as a man). What a good laugh shall be enjoyed by all as we cheerfully lose our own sense of self-importance and bathe in the Light of He Who holds us all so dearly. I was not permitted to submit this without choosing 'a star rating' so I selected 5 stars in the knowledge that He shall make all things beautiful in His time.

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