"Is Christianity Good for the World?"
Theologian Douglas Wilson and atheist Christopher Hitchens, authors whose books are already part of a larger debate on whether religion is pernicious, agreed to discuss their views on whether Christianity itself has benefited the world. Below is their exchange, one in a series that will appear on our website over the course of this month.
Douglas Wilson is author of Letter from a Christian Citizen, senior fellow of theology at New Saint Andrews College, and minister at Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho. He is also the editor of Credenda/Agenda magazine and has written (among other things) Reforming Marriage and A Serrated Edge: A Brief Defense of Biblical Satire and Trinitarian Skylarking. His Blog and Mablog site inevitably makes for provocative reading.
Christopher Hitchens wrote, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (Twelve Books). Hitchens is a contributing editor to Vanity Fair and a visiting professor of liberal studies at the New School. He is the author of numerous books, Thomas Jefferson: Author of America, Thomas Paine's "Rights of Man," Letters To a Young Contrarian, and Why Orwell Matters. He was named, to his own amusement, number five on a list of the "Top 100 Public Intellectuals" by Foreign Policy and Britain's Prospect.
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From: Christopher Hitchens
To: Douglas Wilson
Subject: Is Christianity Good for the World?
This is mildly amusing casuistry whichaside from its recommendation of Wodehousecontains nothing that distinguishes it from Islam or Hinduism or indeed humanism. Were I a Christian, I would be highly unsettled by the huge number of concessions that Wilson makes. Since I am not a Christian, I mutter a mild "thank you" for his admission that morality has nothing at all to do with the supernatural. My book argues that religious belief has now become purely optional and cannot be mandated by anything revealed or anything divine. It is one among an infinite number of private "faiths," which do not disturb me in the least as long as its adherents agree to leave me alone.
Since Wilson does not even attempt to persuade me that Christ died for my sins (and can yet vicariously forgive them) or that I am the object of a divine design or that any of the events described in the two Testaments actually occurred or that extreme penalties will attend any disagreement with his view, I am happy to leave our disagreement exactly where it is: as one of the decreasingly interesting disputes between those who cling so tentatively to man-made "Holy Writ" and those who have no need to consult such texts in pursuit of truth or beauty or an ethical life. The existence or otherwise of an indifferent cosmos (the overwhelmingly probable state of the case) would no more reduce our mutual human obligations than would the quite weird theory of a celestial dictatorship,whether Aztec or Muslim or (as you seem to insist) Christian. The sole difference is that we would be acting out of obligation toward others out of mutual interest and sympathy but without the impulse of terrifying punishment or selfish reward. Some of us can handle this thought and some, evidently, cannot. I have a slight suspicion as to which is more moral.
On a recent visit to Arkansas, I ran into a huge billboard near the Little Rock airport which simply said "JESUS." This struck me as saying too much as well as too little, and I had almost forgotten it until Wilson's evasions brought it back to mind.
Christopher Hitchens
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Konstantin
Apologia, you asked: "How can one have an ever evolving world, yet fixed principles?" Only an ignorant person can believe in fixed moral principles. Morality has been evolving ever since human civilizations emerged. Just look back 50 years, and you will see how attitudes toward racism have changed in the United States. That is an example of the evolution of morality. Now take a look two thousand years back, and you will find plenty of nasty things in the Bible that you would no longer subscribe to. Do you really believe God ordered the Jews to wipe out nations and cities, including infants? Do you really believe God is pro-slavery? Do you really believe women are inferior to men? Do you really believe children should be stoned to death for disobedience? These are the clear teachings of your Bible, and yet you and I will agree that they are poisonous and cruel. So the Bible certainly does not provide "fixed principles," and indeed such principles do not exist.
hasty toweling
apologia, claiming to have a rational basis for your ethics is different from actually having one. You say Christians have one, but this is really contingent on Christianity being the One True Religion. Muslims believe that Christians are morally wrong just for having their beliefs - - they are all going to Hell. So, before you can assert your fixed moral standard, you have to demonstrate, in some way, shape or form, that Muslims, all 1 billion of them, are wrong. But even that won't do it. You also have to explain why all of the other religions are wrong. But even that won't do it. You still have to give some reason why Christianity is True. The closest anyone on this comment thread came to doing this was to say the Yahweh is humble -- needless to repeat, I'm not convinced by this. Until some reason is given why Christianity is factually true, all talk about morals and logic being based on it is completely empty. Why are you so certain that you're right and all Muslims arent?
Hasty Toweling
Kosmiceggburst, your post is possibly the silliest and most ignorant thing ever written. All of the "new athiests" (Dawkins, Harris, Dennet, and Hitchens) rail into Islam even more than Christianity. Islam is all of the worst aspects of Christianity multiplied by 10. You could actually try reading one of their books (or any book for matter) before presenting an "observation". Christianity gets more attention because it is more prominent in our country. Your idea that Theism = Christianity would be hilarious if I didn't think that you actually meant it. Have you heard of Hinduism? For Christ's sake man, you're making yourself look stupid here.