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"Is Christianity Good for the World?"
Part 5 of the ongoing debate between Christopher Hitchens and Douglas Wilson.




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Any animal whatever, endowed with well-marked social instincts, the parental and filial affections being here included, would inevitably acquire a moral sense or conscience, as soon as its intellectual powers had become as well-developed, or nearly as well-developed, as in man.

We can now observe this to be the case. But animal and human "altruism" is contradicted by the way in which species are also designed to fight with, kill, dominate, and even consume each other. Humans are capable of even greater cruelty because only they have the imagination to inflict it. I do not think that this indicts the Creator who made them this way, because I long ago dispensed with the assumption that there is any such entity. Thus, it is you and not I who are left with the questions about God's coexistence with evil. See where your talent for needless complexity has left you.

The fluctuations between social and anti-social conduct are fairly consistent across time and space: some societies have licensed cannibalism but they tend to die out, and others have licensed human sacrifice and infanticide (usually under the influence of some priesthood). But I answer your question by making the pragmatic observation that, if we surrendered to our lower instincts all the time, there would be no language in which to write this argument between us and no society in which we could find an audience. The struggle to assert what is positive in our human capacity—I don't mind Lincoln's metaphor of our "better angels" if you promise not to take it too literally—is arduous enough. If I take myself, I find that I can derive pleasure from giving blood for free and also from contemplating the deaths of my clerical-fascist enemies in the ranks of Al Qaeda and even from the misfortunes of others who do not threaten me. I am sure you could give parallel examples of your own. But telling us that we are created sick and then ordered to be well is no help in clarifying this problem. And telling us that the solution to it only became available some two thousand years ago, according to some highly discrepant and self-contradictory accounts, cannot strike me as anything but absurd. What on earth is proven—except your own vulnerability to making tautologous statements—by the claim that "Jesus Christ is good for the world because he came as the life of the world"? You cannot possibly "know" this. Nor can you present any evidence for it. And its corollary—that without Jesus we are abandoned to wickedness in all its forms—has the horrible implication that worthy actions are pointless unless accompanied by your own rather ill-grounded faith. As I say, believe it if it helps you. But do not insult the millions of people who have done the right thing without requiring any such supernatural authority. And do not tell me that I must be in love with death if I dissent from your view. That's too much. Your Christianity, in case you have not noticed, has actually made you a less compassionate and thoughtful person than, without its exorbitant presumptions, you would otherwise be.

CH

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From: Douglas Wilson
To: Christopher Hitchens
Part 5

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Walt   Posted: June 06, 2007 12:57 PM
Hitchens argues that he "chooses not to confect a mystery where none exists." Yet he attempts to argue that natural selection & trial-and-error can bring about an innate moral sensitivity. For me that's mysterious. Let anyone cite a list of any ten moral values that could've realistically emerged from innumerable centuries of survival of the fittest? Laughable! Natural selection is simply anti-thetical to any high view of morals! Innate morality--outside of a biblical worldview--is wishful thinking! To discredit religion, however, he cites a list of its "appalling atrocities." They're absurd...unless one actually regards circumcision as mutilation. Adding the institution of slavery and revulsion of female sexuality as instances of atrocious morality are inexcuseably sloppy scholarship. Atheism becomes amusing when seeking to accredit morality--or any list of moral virtues for that matter--within a Darwinian model of evolution. That happens when God is scandalized.

Jacob   Posted: June 01, 2007 4:18 PM
James---Oh, not so fast. Don't EVEN try it. What is your evidence for "God's moral commands flow from his immutable moral character..."? And "Because I said so!" and stomping your foot in the pew just doesn't count here. But seriously, you're stuck, pal. Euthyphro rocks, 2500 years later. So I get to ask you---why is Stalin's moral opinion less right or valid than yours now?? Hmm?? Tsk, tsk, tsk! At least my chemical processes are true. H2 & O always make water, unlike the shifting interpretations of the Christian Bible. Sorry, atheists have truth on their side. Or did you want to argue that Na plus CL don't always get us salt?

James   Posted: June 01, 2007 1:08 PM
Jacob, since God's moral commands flow from His immutable moral character, and are not arbitrary, Euthyphro Dilemma does not apply. If you think it does please explain "exactly" how. And you have not answered my point. How is Stalin's moral opinion less right or valid than, let's say, yours? Why is the chemical process that produced your moral sense more correct than the chemical process that produced his moral sense?

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