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Publicly arguing for traditional marriage is worth it even if I don't change many minds.

He lives in the manicured neighborhood of Sherwood Forest, Detroit, where auto-industry execs once retreated to cocktails in their mini-mansions after laboring at halcyon day jobs. I live on the tumbleweed-riddled Colorado plains, where flatness rolls in from Kansas and meets the Rocky Mountain Front Range. My home is where the deer and the antelope play, and eat our shrubs. His is not far from where Eminem used to play.

I spend my days researching family anthropology at a large evangelical ministry. My nonworking hours are spent alongside my wife, raising our five young children and meeting the omnipresent demands of homework, music, and art lessons. He is an atheist teaching philosophy at an urban university who spends his nonworking hours working in the garden, hosting dinner gatherings with his partner, and keeping active in local GLBT politics.

He was raised on Long Island and prefers Democratic politics. I was raised in the panhandle of Florida and find more connection with Republicans. He is a fastidiously dressed man; as long as my khakis don't show any kid-delivered jam stains, I'm good.

John Corvino and I are highly unlikely though dear friends who travel long distances for one purpose: to fight passionately with each other in front of large crowds. At the invitation of law schools and student activities groups, we have met at colleges a few times each semester for the last six years to debate the issue of same-sex marriage and parenting. We are compelled by the conviction that it's a topic too important to be left to the cheap exchange of sound bites. And we want to show young people how democracy not only allows but actually demands debate that is thoughtful, passionately disagreeable, yet civil. We have no interest in maintaining a lowest-common-denominator, kumbaya civility.

John and I constantly hear disbelief at how we can be so opposed on such a life-shaping issue yet remain friends. "I drink," John jokingly replies. Myself? I try to imbibe grace. John has hosted me at his own campus and had me to his beautiful home. I have met his partner, Mark, who struck me, ironically, as the kind of man many fathers would want their daughters to meet. I have also had John visit Focus on the Family, but the sudden death of my father required that I leave him with my colleagues. They reportedly had a fabulous time discussing the politics of sexuality and how we can forgo stereotypes and understand what really divides us.

For example, I have learned that John's sexual orientation does not stem from an unhealthy relationship with his father or from an overbearing mother. We in fact agree that homosexuality cannot necessarily be attributed to nature or lack of nurture, that there's a complex dynamic at play. John discovers things about me that surprise him, such as that I can believe the world is older than 6,000 years and remain an evangelical in good standing. I have fun explaining that the God I believe in is not the one he doesn't believe in, observing he is more of a hopeful agnostic than a hard-edged atheist. John retorts that he is probably the best judge of what he is.

Cranky Inquisitions

Both John and I have a good deal of debate experience with other opponents over the years, but with mixed results. I have debated one gentleman who runs a national organization against marriage itself, but somehow finds it worth defending when it has same-sex as a prefix. John once debated a pastor who displayed portraits of each of his many children on the auditorium stage. Our paths crossed when John had a positive experience debating a friend of mine; when he couldn't make another event at John's invitation, I stood in.


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Elizabeth

December 14, 2008  4:23pm

I'm a Christian and a Quaker and gay. I read about this article from LOGO news at 365gay.com in an article written by Corvino. I attend a Campus Crusade for Christ group on my campus with a facilitator who works for an organization that hurts LGBT people. I struggle all the time with how to be friends with her. It's a constant challenge, but when I'm able to do it well and leave the judging to God, I feel magnified in the Lord's presence. I believe that by being a good Christian and gay and participating in a group with those who persecute me, I can be a witness for God. So I admire you for going the other direction. I will never stop fighting for justice, but I also hope I will never fail to recognize other humans as beautiful creations of God, and that this will lead to redemptive dialogue.

Michael Carter

December 13, 2008  11:17pm

I'm glad that you have both forged so unlikely a friendship and can debate one another in a positive manner. I've encountered few willing to treat me with the respect and dignity I try to treat them, and I see the same from those on my side. In regards to your UoI example, I feel you answered that particular question with grace. However, I would like to take that inquiry further. Homosexual couples form families regardless whether they are granted the right to marry. These families are comprised of two parents and their children. To deny homosexuals the right to marry denies jural rights to a person's partner's children; legally, the other partner is not the parent of the children he or she raises. Personally, I feel this endangers the children more than having two parents of the same gender; should a parent die, the children could be ripped from the family by legal action. Is this not more damaging? I'm sure this question is a common one, but I'm curious as to your response.

Brendan

December 13, 2008  9:31am

I'm on John's side, but having read your articles on the friendship you have forged in such strange circumstances, I feel you are one of the few opponents that is able to communicate without denigration. I agree that the most "tolerant" of campuses likely treat you with more contempt and rudeness than those I would consider "less tolerant" (of folks like me). I find that saddening. While I would label some of your fellow evangelicals as hate mongering, I would equally label some gay rights activists as "secessionists," bent on creating a separate gay 'race' or 'ethnicity' within the human family. I doubt seriously, from reading your article, that you would have a hard time if you found John and his partner were your neighbors; you seem to be able to live side by side quite well. So I remain puzzled over your fundamental views in opposition to their relationship. But I appreciate you for being able to say that you have gay friends, and they are not monsters. We rarely hear/feel that.

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