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Q&A: Francis Chan on Rob Bell and Hell

Why 'Erasing Hell' was his most difficult book, how 'Love Wins' prompted repentance, and whether 'Believe in Jesus or you'll go to hell' is good news.

Erasing Hell: What God said about eternity, and the things we made up
Erasing Hell: What God said about eternity, and the things we made up
Sprinkle, Preston
David C. Cook
July 5, 2011
208 pp., $11.18

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Few books have generated as much theological conversation as Rob Bell's Love Wins—and fewer still have sparked several response books within months of their appearance. Francis Chan, whose books Crazy Love and Forgotten God are still on bestseller lists, is a somewhat surprising addition to the pack with Erasing Hell. (Chan's coauthor, Preston Sprinkle, is associate professor of biblical studies at Chan's Eternity Bible College.) Christianity Today senior managing editor Mark Galli is the author of another of the response books, God Wins, and interviewed Chan last week.

In several places in your book, it's clear that you are conflicted about even addressing this topic.

It's weird. I've never felt a need to really respond to someone else's writing. And yet reading Love Wins set a lot of things spinning in my mind. Some of it was concern, but some was doubt: Am I sure of what I believe? Let me go back and study. Several times in the middle of the night I couldn't even sleep. I really believe the Lord wanted me to do this, but there is a wrestling on that point because I thought, "Gosh, that's just not me. That's not what I'm comfortable with. I really don't think I'll enjoy this at all. I'm not looking forward to all the backlash and everything else."

The other side was that I was really hoping to discover some things I hadn't discovered before—or maybe this was an opportunity to soften my stance on hell. I was hoping to find that in Scripture. And so when I didn't it find it, it made me even more sick to my stomach.

It's weird to write something that you really don't like. It's easy to write for God and about God, because what a thrill to remind the church that the Holy Spirit of God is in you. What a rush! What an amazing blessing! Who'd want to take the time to write about something that's so, so awful? So painful? That was the conflict for me.

Your reaction to Love Wins was my experience as well and, I suspect, the reaction of a lot of its readers. That's the one thing that I've said is good about the book. It's forced us all to think more deeply, go back to Scripture, and read more carefully.

There was a lot that was good in that book. There are some good principles in there. Some of the things that he dislikes about the evangelical church today are things I have a real problem with as well. I told Rob that some of the stuff that he writes needs to be heard, and the people who need to hear it won't hear it because of the tone and some of the other things that he writes.

He didn't think that was the case, but I do think there is some value in some of the things that he writes.

I think that's where Rob is a little disingenuous. He claims that he's not a controversialist, but when it comes to his critique of fundamentalist and legalistic Christianity, he spares no sarcasm.

That was the hard part for me. I didn't see love toward those people—among whom I would be included. In some of those respects it seemed like a mockery of what I believe and the God that I believe in.

Why did you write a book just on hell? It's only one chapter in Bell's book.

While his book spurred on this conviction that I need to respond, as I studied, my book became less and less of a response to Rob Bell and his book. More and more, I saw how studying hell was changing me. I saw a lot of sin I had to repent of and thought, "This is a much bigger issue."


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Brian & Sherry Root

February 02, 2013  7:36pm

As I read this interview with Francis, the scripture that keeps running through my head is from James 3:17 ...."But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere." That is SO evident throughout the article in our Brother Francis. Hell is a difficult topic today. But he addresses it with wisdom, kindness and truth. While he never compromises on the truth of the matter, he does show willingness to learn be open to learn more, to hear others points of view (without getting upset like so many of us do) he is gentle, loving and is full of mercy and good fruit. He also looks for points to agree on with Rob Bell, without softening his stance on what he has learned in the scriptures. But he does not just attack like so many others have done. I like that. I will look forward to more of his teaching and will be going out and getting the book soon.

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Mark Magula

July 18, 2011  3:40pm

I find it extraordinary that two highly educated Christians are having a conversation about "Hell" without any broader historical framework for their discussion. If we were talking about the Constitution and the meaning of Church and State it would require more than reading words on a page. Jesus lived in a middle eastern, oriental culture, that reflected the language and traditions of a vastly different time and place and his use of idioms and cultural references are anything but easily gleaned, regardless of our good intentions and the perceived move of the Holy Spirit. When refereeing to Hell what do we mean; Gehenna, Sheol, Tartarus? Jesus isn't speaking in a cultural vacuum. And he certainly wasn't speaking in a post reformation tradition either!

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Joy D

July 14, 2011  6:53pm

My father once told me, "We would know nothing of Satan or Hell if God had not revealed them in His Word." At some time or other, Satan has deceived all of us. In other words, we deserve Hell. The Good News is that God has prepared a way for us to live forever with Him at great cost to Himself. I trust His judgment and His mercy.

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JB Real

July 14, 2011  1:26am

FYI - a few typos (more like wordos throughout. Missing words, added words. Might want a proof reader to go through it. Good interview.

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Paul Olson

July 12, 2011  5:53pm

Eric; Jesus doesn't lie, but he doesn't show all his cards either. He purposefully told parables to confuse his listeners "Lest they should see with their eyes; and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart and turn again, and I should heal them" (Mt 13:15). Paul also said, "For God has shut up all in disobedience that he might show mercy to all" (Ro 11:32). If you're going to take all scripture completely literally you have to take this one literally too. So if God is going to show mercy to all, then everyone is going to be saved, right? Or how about this one: "For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in him, and through him to RECONCILE ALL THINGS to himself" (Col 1:19-20). Or this one: "He made known to us the mystery of his will, according to his kind intention which he purposed in him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of of the times, that is, the SUMMING UP OF ALL THINGS IN CHRIST..." (Eph 1:9-10) meaning EVERYONE.

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