Rich Mouw on Why Evangelicals Need to Be Quick to Listen to Mormons
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Richard J. Mouw startled many in the Christian world with a seven-minute speech in November 2004 that detailed how evangelicals had "sinned against Mormons." By that, the president of Fuller Theological Seminary meant evangelicals had misrepresented what Mormons believed in order to critique them. Mouw, a longtime participant in Mormon interfaith dialogues, has spent endless hours defending his statements to evangelical friends and colleagues. He continues this outreach in Talking with Mormons: An Invitation to Evangelicals (Eerdmans). Salt Lake Tribune religion reporter Peggy Fletcher Stack spoke with Mouw on the evolving nature of Latter-day Saint (LDS) theology, where it touches and where it diverges from historic Christianity, and how believers can systematically consider faiths outside the Christian fold.
Why do you think understanding LDS beliefs is more than just being nice but about being obedient to God?
One thing that really upsets me is when evangelicals say, "We don't have time for dialogue with Mormons and all the niceties. We have to stand up for the truth and denounce error." They fail to recognize that if we are to be people of the truth, we need to be sure we are criticizing Mormons for what they really believe, lest we commit the serious sin of bearing false witness against our neighbors. To be concerned about the truth means we ourselves better be sure we are being truthful, to listen to others and really understand before we tell them that they're wrong.
What are your chief theological differences with Mormons? Have those changed over years of discussions with Mormons?
Mormons deny the Trinity, but they talk about "the three Persons of the Godhead." They say that God has a humanlike form, but they sing "How Great Thou Art" (which is in the Mormon hymn-book). Other basic differences include issues like baptism, temple worship, and authority. Evangelicals emphasize the Bible alone, while Mormonism not only adds scriptures, but also sees the scriptures themselves as an expression of a prophetic office restored in the early 19th century.
We have to make a distinction, though, between the "working theology" of Mormonism today and its previous declarations. In the past, they put much more emphasis on good works. The most important development in recent decades has been an increasingly strong emphasis on the substitutionary atonement of Christ on the cross.
Why do you not classify Mormonism as a cult?
Cult often connotes secrecy, duplicity, and a rigid "one true church" mentality. None of that really fits present-day Mormonism, which scholars instead call a "new religious movement." Ordinary Mormons love Billy Graham. They read Christianity Today as a helpful resource for their own growth in faith. Many Mormon scholars enjoy attending evangelical-sponsored theology conferences. None of this is true of Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientology, or Hare Krishna, which are typically described as "cults."
How have you come to understand Mormon founder Joseph Smith?
The Joseph Smith topic is the most difficult one for evangelicals. Many see him as Satan-inspired, or—with equal hostility—as a deceiver or a deluded person. I obviously do not see him as an inspired prophet delivering messages from God. To focus on the character of Smith and his claims about himself diverts us from talking about the central issue of what Mormons have taught about sin, redemption, and the person and work of Jesus Christ. I find those teachings to contain some elements of biblical orthodoxy—along with other teachings that I find off the charts.

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Glen Waugh
Would that Evangelicals were as understanding about mid-Acts dispensationalists as Mouw beseeches Evangelicals to be of Mormons. Mid-Acts folks are frequently derided as "ultra" or "hyper" dispensationalists, who it is implied are not worthy of any hearing of their views, yet in true FTS style without caution Mouw encourages us to take a look at this "american mythology". The President of the LDS church is still considered a living oracle in spite of the finality of the sacred canon (Col. 1:25). Baptism for the dead is done all day long at every Temple worldwide. A perusal of lds.org still indicates that these folks do not consider most Evangelicals to be heaven bound. It would be good to visit Utah Lighthouse Ministry and see what's still on "the books" as far as the Latter Day Saints are concerned and their interest in becoming "mainline" or "Evangelical". I love you LDSers, but you must believe 1 Cor. 15:1-4 and trust Christ alone (Eph. 1:12&13) for salvation.
Mark Matthias
Rich Mouw's article is following the same pattern of today's christianity -- unlike biblical Christianity. Jesus would marvel at how easily we are led astray. "I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different Gospel." (Galatians 1:6). Now Mormonism is basically Christianity? Then why do they call themselves Mormons, and Latter Day Saints? Because they believe that, through J. Smith, they have the correct interpretation for the Last Days. James tells us, even demons believe in Jesus and they tremble. The Mormons are playing it by ear as the days go by; clutching every opportunity to be completely accepted by Christians. They will say absolutely anything.... The Jehovah's Witnesses also call themselves Christians. The Islamics liberally plagiarized the Bible and made it fit their agenda. I would rather take the original documents God gave us -- unadulterated; and stay away from the condemnation of Galatians 1:6--9.
Brian Jorgensen
Darrell's question followed by Jake's answer: 8b. Is Lucifer, ...equal to Jesus? 8b. Do I believe that Lucifer is "equal to Jesus"? Certainly not--just because both are God's spirit children does not at all mean that they are equal. I will admit that this topic often comes up in discussions on Mormon faith (a la Mike Huckabee) and I must say I don't know much about the beliefs of other Christians (whether they be Catholics, mainline Protestant, evangelical, etc.) regarding the origins of the devil and how these beliefs differ from those held by most Mormons, but I would certainly be interested to hear it. I will close by saying that in my response, I am not attempting to speak on behalf of all Mormons or set out the official Church position - these are my beliefs, not necessarily anyone else's. If I can clarify any of my statements please feel free to ask.
Brian Jorgensen
Darrell's question followed by Jake's answer: 8a. Is Lucifer a son of the Father,...? 8a. I will divide your question into two parts--first, do I believe that Lucifer is a son of the Father? Yes, I believe that Lucifer was one of many spirit children of God (another of whom was Jesus), rebelled and was cast out.
Brian Jorgensen
Darrell's question followed by Jake's answer: 7. Is man saved by faith alone? 7. I believe that faith is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for salvation, and I believe that this is consistent with what Jesus Himself taught (see John 3:3-5, Matthew 7:21-23).