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Always the same. While we're all now focused on the change that's about to happen in the Catholic Church as Pope Benedict XVI steps down, the Latin phrase semper eadem—always the same—is often invoked to describe the unchanging character ...

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Matt Glover

March 01, 2013  3:31pm

Brothers & Sisters, Let's start with Commandments 1 & 2, and see how much this article can be sustained. In Christ, Matt

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Jim Ricker

February 22, 2013  8:44pm

Greg, continued, Although the Protestant believers belong to defective organizations, they can still be believers. VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 — Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI. (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2005/documents/hf _ben-xvi_aud_20051130_en.html) Official catechism: "1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved." Your statement about the Roman teaching is false.

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Jim Ricker

February 22, 2013  8:35pm

Greg Smith, Then as a former Roman Catholic and your Roman Catholic friends and family are incorrect. “Response to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church” For this reason, the document declares that the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church “subsists” in the Roman Catholic Church alone. Although William Cardinal Levada, the author of the document, recognizes that Christians outside of the Roman Church may be saved, he considers all other Christian groups defective. However, he makes a distinction between Protestants and “oriental Churches,” including the Eastern Orthodox Church. He recognizes the sacraments and Apostolic Succession of the Orthodox Church, but states that the Orthodox Churches “lack something in their condition as particular churches” because of their separation from Rome. Because they lack valid Apostolic Succession and valid Sacraments, the documents call Protestant groups “communities” rather than churches. continued,

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Greg Smith

February 19, 2013  9:46am

Catholics and Baptists as really together? Try this: ask any Catholic (who has a clue as to the teachings of their religion) whether I, a former Catholic and now a Christian (who has believed the gospel and am a Baptist pastor), whether I am saved and going to heaven because of my faith in Christ, or whether I will burn in hell for turning away from the Catholic Church. Not so together.

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Jim Ricker

February 16, 2013  8:03pm

Several speakers noted the 1999 joint statement by Catholics and Protestants, which said in part, "By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works."

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John Chester

February 16, 2013  11:34am

This is just sad. The RC church affirms the centrality of the bible, yet they reject its authority. They advocate a true relationship and encounter with Jesus but reject his atonement. Instead of wondering what can evangelicals and catholics cooperate on, we need to be asking the biblical question what fellowship can darkness have with light. Until the RC church abandons the authority of the church as and repents of teaching salvation by works it shouldn't be called Christian.

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Paul Allen

February 14, 2013  7:14pm

I understand that some from both sides are insisting that the two traditions can work together and that divisions are being overcome. However, the gospel of justification by faith ALONE, in Christ ALONE, by grace ALONE, is the gap between the two groups. The Roman Catholic Church has not altered its official position. The Protestant Reformers found the Roman Catholic Church to be in contradiction to the Bible and this still exists today REGARDLESS of what this article states. We differ in six critical areas: the scriptures, justification, the church, the sacraments, the papacy, and the Virgin Mary. When it comes to beliefs that define the Christian faith, the Reformation remains vital and must be maintained until such time as Roman Catholicism alters its teaching.

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Hugh Wetmore

February 14, 2013  1:31pm

As a retired pastor in the Baptist Union of Southern Africa, and a previous General Secretary of the South African component of the World Evangelical Alliance, I recognise in this article a convergence that would have been unthinkable 50 years ago. I thank God for this. Yes, there are still serious differences but God's work is still a work in progress.

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Pop Seal

February 14, 2013  11:20am

Every strength has a "built in" weakness. The authoritian government of Roman Catholics engenders consistancy and unity in its ministries. The weakness is that members can easily become dependent upon of 'leaders' to do religion for them. The strength of personal repsonsibility among Baptsits can easiy lead to divisions for the smallest reasons. Now retired at 68 years of age, I've learned that keeping my head still over short putts, allows me to be more consistnt. If I keep my eyes on Jesus and not be in a hurry, the river of His will cuts its own path for my life. Too bad more of us Baptists don't wait on God rather than running after so many "new things".

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