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Many readers will remember the apprehension and delight with which the world watched South Africa in the early 1990s as the racial oppression of apartheid came to an end and the beloved country achieved a peaceful transition to a non-racial constitutional ...

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audrey ruth

December 24, 2013  3:10am

"I don't think Martin Luther King would have led peace marches and approved of Black Panther violence at the same time." Amen, Steve. Very well said.

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Steve Page

December 17, 2013  6:02am

Thomas do you think WND just made that up? Is it untrue just because they published it. From the liberal Huff post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/06/nelson-mandela-marxist_n_43 99998.html Another article which cites sources other than the missionary. http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2013/12/06/nelson-mandela/ F rom the ANC page http://www.anc.org.za/list_by.php?by=Nelson%20Mandela The ANC's atrocities are well documented. I don't think Martin Luther King would have led peace marches and approved of Black Panther violence at the same time.

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PROF IRVING HEXHAM

December 14, 2013  9:34am

Anyone really interested in knowing about South Africa and the role of Mandela ought to read: De Gruchy, John W., and Steve De Gruchy. The Church Struggle in South Africa. Twenty-fifth anniversary ed. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 2005. Giliomee, Hermann. The Afrikaners : Biography of a People. Reconsiderations in Southern African History. 2nd ed. Charlottesville; Cape Town, South Africa: University of Virginia Press; Tafelberg, 2009. O'Meara, Dan. Forty Lost Years : The Apartheid State and the Politics of the National Party, 1948-1994. Randburg, South Africa; Athens: Ravan Press ; Ohio University Press, 1996. You can also consult some original sources at: The South African Institute of Race Relations Annual Survey, 1934-200 available online at: http://www.nelsonmandela.org/omalley/index.php/site/q/03lv02424/04lv03 224.htm South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission Website: http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/

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audrey ruth

December 11, 2013  7:47pm

Thomas, I appreciate your sentiment. Truth is truth. I don't believe everything I read there (nor do I believe everything I read anywhere else), but it is not a 'hater' website. It's not any more biased than 'mainstream' news, and it's often less biased. It brings out information that is often suppressed elsewhere - they were the first (and for a long time, the only ones) to report on the 'knock down 'hit 'em and run' violence which is becoming sadly more common. There is no reason not to believe that missionary's experience. Long before I read that, I was hearing (not at that website) of people in S. A. being terrorized by gangs attacking them in their homes and on their farms. People were forced to flee and leave everything behind - everything. I read a first-hand account of this written by a woman who had lived in S. A. her whole life, had always reached out to her black Afrikaner neighbors to help them. Her neighbors confirmed this. BTW - did you read the missionary's report?

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Thomas Gary

December 10, 2013  9:11pm

Audrey, I love you but that site is a bunch of right-wing, extremist crud. If you believe stuff from something like that you're not a Conservative, you're far-far-right. It's a straight "hater" website. Sorry but if you think that a junkpile would tell the truth about a controversial Black African leader, you are incredibly gullible. Love you but this site is wack! Peace.

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audrey ruth

December 10, 2013  5:50am

Thomas Gary, did you not see my link to that missionary's account of his meeting with Mandela, as well as revelations about Mandela generally not known by the world at large? I posted that link in a comment below. Not sure how you missed it. Here it is again: This South African missionary who met with Mandela personally shares information many people do not know: http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-was-a-radical-marxist/ - That article shows that Nelson Mandela was not only a radical Marxist but was also a firm advocate of abortion, pornography, homosexuality and legalizing prostitution. Sadly, the bloodbath continues today. Soldiers killing soldiers is one thing. People going out and killing innocent people in their homes is quite another - especially when those innocent people had been friends with black Afrikaners, had reached out to help them. Reagan is not an analogy: he never praised Communist leaders. He worked hard with other leaders to bring down the Iron Curtain.

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audrey ruth

December 10, 2013  5:46am

I've heard nothing but good about Mandela for decades. Now I'm learning that we've been sold on an illusion. It's very disappointing, to say the least. ITA with Mart Griesel's comment: "What I have it against is that in the case of Mandela and the ANC only the wrongs of the apartheid regime are highlighted while the wrongs of the other side are whitewashed by the media. What about the kidnappings, murders, tortures and necklacings of thousands of South Africans of all colors by Umkhonto we Ziswe of which Mandela was the founder? Did Mandela ever take ownership for his legacy of violence, and publicly asked for forgiveness?"

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audrey ruth

December 10, 2013  5:45am

I cannot understand why our US flag was flown at half mast in Washington, DC, in honor of Mandela upon his death, by order of the White House. I cannot recall any other time when a non-American was so honored.

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Thomas Gary

December 10, 2013  1:19am

Mart, I'm not promoting the cause of violent revolution. I'll leave such matters up to wiser ones than I. I'm not part of the media so I don't approve of white-washing anything. However, I just saw a bit on a news program where a speaker said that Mandela was a man with rage and anger and hatred inside himself, but he tried to overcome it and not let it rule his life when he became an older man with his freedom. He's a political leader so of course he's got skeletons in his closet. Remember the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam Hussein's hand in the Reagan Years as we gave Iraq weapons to kill the Iranians? Even Gandhi, a great leader, used political wrangling and advised the Indians during WW2 to do nothing to support British war efforts against the Japanese Empire because he believed the Japanese would not be as oppressive as the Brits. Was he right? I don't know but I'm not pro-war either. Peace

D K

December 09, 2013  2:38pm

Just a comment BooBaa Dongwong on Gideon. I have known him since schooldays. We differed severely on social and political issues; where we nearly always stood opposed to each other, today I have to defend him.(Although he is more than capable to do so on his own. I still live the RSA and is an implacable enemy of the ANC and the so-called liberals. I do not agree with most of what he said(Probably I agree wiht most of your comments) but I think your reaction is a bit harsh, if I may say the tone does not reflect how I understand what Jesus tries to tell us.

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Mart Griesel

December 09, 2013  2:20pm

There was wrong done by the apartheid system as well as by the imperialistic rule of the British BUT to kill the Kings soldiers or resort to violence because of non-agreement with a "brutal racist system run by Bible-quoting Dutchmen" is wrong. The Bible is clear about this issue - do not repay wrong with wrong. Ghandi's non violence approach brought down the British rule in India. What I have it against is that in the case of Mandela and the ANC only the wrongs of the apartheid regime is highlighted while the wrongs of the other side is whitewashed by the media. What about the kidnappings, murders, tortures and necklacings of thousands of South Africans of all colors by Umkhonto we Ziswe of which Mandela was the founder?Did Mandela ever take ownership for his legacy of violence, and publicly asked for forgiveness?

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Thomas Gary

December 08, 2013  4:46pm

Hi Audrey - who was the missionary and what were his own political views? Also, the bloodbath people were expecting, such as in other ex-colonial African nations, did not happen to that extent. People will take revenge. I also think that the thousands of people killed by the "anti-Communist" Dutch is being forgotten just because we were allies of theirs. I bet the King of England thought we were just as bad as anyone could be for killing thousands of his soldiers and leaving with millions of acres of the Empire. Nations commit violence, Rebels commit violence. Sad but true. Peace.

BooBaa Dongwong

December 08, 2013  7:38am

Where did you receive your indoctrination comrade Strauss? In the GDR or the SA ministry of education parallel universe where good is evil and evil good, bitter is sweet and sweet bitter? You should be ashamed of yourself. Out of your own mouth you have condemned yourself by glorifying a Marxist Terrorist who destroyed a country. Prove your claims you say. Gladly comrade. Truth is not afraid of the light. Lets begin then. Your Terrorist Idol was found guilty of sabotage and plotting to overthrow the Government through a campaign of guerrilla warfare and terrorist attacks. Have you ever done the effort to read the information about the Rivonia trail? Have you ever heard of operation Mayibuye? Surely you have heard that the power of life and death is in the tongue and that out of thy own mouth thou will be judged. Have you ever heard those lovely nation building songs good old comrade Mandela loved to sing? Such beautiful lyrics “ We will kill the whites; We will slit their throats. Makes your heart feel warm don’t it comrade? Oh don’t forget all of good old comrade Mandelas lovely friends. Lovely people like Gaddafi, Castro, Arafat and on and on. Good old comrade Mandela was also a solid stand-up Christian wasn’t he comrade Strauss? Yes he abolished those backward laws of the racists whites that forbade abortion and sodomy. Such a wise comrade. What other wonderful deeds have comrade Madiba done I hear you gasp with excitement comrade Strauss. Hang on to your pants comrade Strauss. He annually released murders and rapists sentenced by law from prison because he was such a lovely fellow and to commemorate his birthday, such a humble guy. I wonder if the sales of How to be a Good Communist will go through the roof now that comrade Mandela has passed on, be sure to take a look now and then at Barns and Noble for the sales statistics comrade Strauss we need funds to overthrow those evil Jews in Palestine, Apartheid take 2 comrade Strauss. Madiba will be so proud. Oh and by the way comrade Strauss Madiba never renounced violence or apologised for any of the terrorist attacks against civilians; they sure did a good job on you comrade, or are you a liar? Let me leave you with these parting thoughts comrade Strauss; thousands of Christians gave their lives fighting Communism in the Soviet Union and you who claim to be followers of the Lord Jesus praise a enemy of Christianity only out done by Stalin himself. Yes the Lord said by their fruits ye shall know them. To your own disgrace you have praised a bloody wicked man. Yes how many have fallen to the fear of man and loved the praises of men more than the truth? You know what to do.

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audrey ruth

December 08, 2013  1:07am

Thomas, sadly there has indeed been a a terrible bloodbath of revenge against white Afrikaners, some of whom are not racists at all but have been friends to black Afrikaners. I'm not necessarily blaming this on Mandela. I just don't know if he spoke out against it and tried to stop it. I do think it was a wonderful thing that he was so instrumental in ending apartheid, but I can't compare his association with Marxists and other problematic issues with the American Revolution. According to the missionary who was summoned to Mandela's home and told of his experience in the article whose URL I posted below, Nelson Mandela was not only a radical Marxist but was also a firm advocate of abortion, pornography, homosexuality and legalizing prostitution.

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Thomas Gary

December 07, 2013  11:59pm

As a man who fought against a brutal racist system run by Bible-quoting Dutchmen, Mandela certainly lived a life of violence for a lengthy period of his life. "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". What did the Brits call us when we rebelled & killed the King's soldiers? Various early Israeli leaders were socialists & called terrorists for bombings, murders & killings of British soldiers in Palestine. He was not the only political leader who had sexual weaknesses (JFK). What is amazing is that after 27 years in prison, he worked with South African Christians to blunt what everyone thought would happen - a terrible bloodbath of revenge against White racists. He was a Christian according to almost all who knew him in his later life, nondenominational & Protestant. If he liked Castro & Ghaddafi, the USA has supported dictators all over Latin America, Africa & Asia. The wealth of So Africa still rests largely with Whites & no vast industries were nationalized. He tried.

audrey ruth

December 07, 2013  11:00pm

This South African missionary who met with Mandela personally shares information many people do not know: http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/nelson-mandela-was-a-radical-marxist/

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Helmut Wagabi

December 07, 2013  8:26am

Thanks Gideon for shedding light on the truth that politics has limits; it is not a panacea to our main problem of sin. The good Mr. Mandela did seems to have been forgotten by all the political leaders in Africa.

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Pop Seal

December 06, 2013  9:16pm

Mandela loved dictators and stood up in Harlem praising Fidel Castro. There's something not right about all this hoop-la. His cause was good and his methods were bad. A political editorial called him a pacifist. I'm still trying to get by the Winnie Mandela necklace thing. Nasty business.............

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Katheryn Magill

December 06, 2013  4:00pm

Christianity Today, while I appreciate the attention drawn to Nelson Mandela's amazing achievements, I'd really like to see you post an article that at least acknowledges some of the legitimate hesitations Christians have about Nelson Mandela's legacy. His early terrorist associations, the 1996 abortion law, and his multiple adulterous affairs, for example.

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Mart Griesel

December 06, 2013  10:44am

When Mandela was brought before court in the sixties, the then Attorney-General, Dr Yutar set out the State's case as follows:"The accused deliberately and maliciously plotted and engineered the commission of acts of violence and destruction throughout the country.The planned purpose thereof was to bring about in the Republic of South Africa chaos, disorder and turmoil.Mandela and his friends planned violent insurrection and rebellion."They had planned the manufacture of at least seven type of bombs, 48 000 anti-personnel mines, 210 000 hand grenades, petrol bombs, pipe bombs, syringe bombs and bottle bombs. A document in Mandela's own handwriting brought forth in the Court case, stated,"We Communist Party members are the most advanced revolutionaries in modern history. The enemy must be completely crushed and wiped out from the face of the earth before a Communist world can be realised."Mandela admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights."

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