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Talk to Calvary Chapel pastors about their theology, and they appear the epitome of evangelical balance and moderation: neither Calvinist nor Arminian, neither Pentecostal nor cessationist.

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len sterling

March 02, 2007  1:05am

I can see the importance of truthful disclosures when it comes to faith based organizations. I however think that this article was reaching to make points which seemed to have little substance. I have news for anyone who has overlooked the obvious here...we are imperfect and fallen human beings (aka sinners!). There will never be a perfect church here on earth until Jesus sets up His 1,000 year reign! A real manifestation of the Lord is how He uses us (very imperfect implements) to produce perfect results! How about getting out there in the streets and among everyday people and living true to the Word of God! CC has been a vehicle God has utilized to bring countless smelly hippy, pot smoking, speed dropping freaks (you know...the ones most 'believers' pretended not to see as we looked down our noses at them in public) to Jesus. How much better off they were than many pew warmers of their time! Let’s not forget the purpose for which He created us…to bring glory to Him!

Henry

March 01, 2007  9:44pm

left, You are right. Phoenix Preacher is a pointless read now. It's pretty worthless and doesn't serve purpose anymore because the CC pastors all befriended and bewitched Newnham. They force strong views to be marginalized and do the typical "we're the authorities on God" routine to the same people that escaped the CC cult. I'm sure this post will be considered for posting over there, and it will be derided thoroughly.

left

March 01, 2007  9:22pm

I was there too years ago when Chuck spoke of Richard Nixon as God's man. It used to bother me too that he promoted his political agenda during his preaching. One thing important to say is that the person responsible for "reaching the hippies" during the Jesus Movement was really Lonnie Frisbee, the hippie preacher. That's been swept under the carpet, since he later died of aids. Calvary would not have "exploded" like it did without Lonnie, and I can't believe it when he is not given credit as the person the Holy Spirit used to reach the young people back then. Even Greg Laurie came to know Jesus through Lonnie's ministry. Thousands came in , but thousands left. It was definitely like a "cult" for me, not as extreme as alot of them are, but like a cult never the less. I lost touch with myself. And those of you who don't like Phoenix Preacher - hey you may now because it's become occupied with Calvary Chapel pastors ( and their agenda) who have befriended Michail N. there.

Bobby Taylor

March 01, 2007  9:09pm

It does appear that this article has a slight edge to it that may not be needed. Folks we need to pray for Calvary Chapel as well as every church in America/the world! What is happening here does not undo all of the work God has done through this movement. God is bigger than any lawsuit, radio network, friends falling out, or ministers dealing with power or lust. I understand they are having an old fashioned tent revival at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, lets pray for a huge revival! Let's pray that God does it again in Southern California, we all need revival, start praying now!!! God Bless Calvary Chapel.

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Glen- Day of Ridiculous Christians

March 01, 2007  8:20pm

Joe, if you are still on staff or attend CCH, I am absolutely shocked and disgusted!!! You should be given the right foot of fellowship immediately for brining such a reviling accusation against Pastor Chuck and jumping into the fray of this ridiculous smear against elders in the church! If not, where is YOUR god using you today Joe? In some areas of the church and "Christianity today", we need Church Discipline, but still in others we need more and more Grace; What we don't need is devisivness and false accusations before the ungodly world! You are devisive man Joe and so are you Rob Moll! Along with every other person out there who calls themselves a believer in Jesus Christ but has taken to bringing accusations against pastors and leaders of the church (any church), without having a shread of proof and not in the mouth of two or three witnesses. Consider yourself rebuked!!! 5 stars for trashy journalism at its finest!

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To Neil

March 01, 2007  6:27pm

"There are huge pride issues and blind spots,people are left no other choice but to leave." There you have Neil...... "Leave".. If the leadership is blind in a particular area that you believe is important why would you stay??? I've left more than one Calvary because of critical issues with the Pastor. That doesn't give me the right to slam all Calvarys. You have to at some point vote with you're feet and trust that the Lord will handle the problem.

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Steve

March 01, 2007  8:42am

Chuck Smith praising Richard Nixon as a man of God? hahaha Sounds just like Chuck Smith being used as a government shill when he came out and said that the war in Iraq was of God and whoever opposed it is committing treason. Chuck's beloved Republican party hasn't done anything to stop the merciless slaughter of millions of unborn babies. Now that Bush wants a third war in Iran, will Chuck tell everyone to go get their guns and be killed? The more I've heard Chuck speak about political things, the more I believe the old allegations that he's a favorer of those constructing a New World Order.

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dewey

March 01, 2007  7:49am

It is obvious satan wants to attack and divide us. After all that is the most efective form of battle. But why do we allow him to do so? The media is used by satan so much, look at the "Jesus family tomb" and the da vinci code, he knows his time is short and is pulling out all he stops. Yes there may have been mistakes made, who hasn't made them? It is wriiten that the Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. This applies to all does it not. Beyond this point we must press on, for we are in a spiritual battle, a battle to spread the Gosple on this side of the second comming. So get busy for the harvest is great, but the laborers are FEW!

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Joe

March 01, 2007  7:29am

As a former member of Calvary Chapel from about 1970 when it was a little church that kept extending itself until it bought nearby land and put up a big top tent, I am troubled by the allegations. My spirit did not bear witness with Chuck's teachings ever since Chuck preached that Richard Nixon was God's man. I moved to Hawaii where God used me to co-found what is now Calvary Chapel of Honolulu. Our beginning was as a home bible study on the North Shore of Oahu in Bill Stonebraker's home where I played Chuck's tapes to initial skepticism. Perhaps it is time to separate the wheat from the chaff and for Chuck to retire.

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Samandi Elizabeth

March 01, 2007  7:14am

The Lord Jesus is coming for a Church without blemish. I wish each of the individuals involved in this compromising ,self defensive, finger pointing ,shameful situation would sit back and allow the Holy Spirit to x-ray him,acknowledge wrong as revealed, confess, and move ahead. BROTHER , do not allow the Lord to give you over to a hardened heart.I fear this for myself. Would you trade your crown for worldly fame, pleasure, and wealth?

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R.J.

February 28, 2007  11:09pm

You probably won't post this because it is critical of your magazine and reporting. How do articles like this build up Christ's church? CT is as I am before the Lord - a filthy rag! Stopped receiving your magazine because I couldn't tell where the 'world' ended and your 'Christian' publication took over? Shame on you! Christ said to follow Him, not any man or church. Calvary's are still made up of men last time I checked? Like the article stated be careful with God's own. They're still men, but men appointed by God. As it was stated, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.

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William Ebling

February 28, 2007  10:55pm

There is a problem when people who believe in Original Sin forget that i8t napplies to them as well as everyone ele. Here is another sad tale of the corrupting effect of power, unched by accountability. Sin checks in. Sexual sin has an effect of blindi9ng the sinner and those who pklace power above all else.

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Jerry

February 28, 2007  1:23pm

I have personally witnessed the dealing of two adultery cases with staff members at our church and the handeling was as close to the biblical model as possible. I am not convinced that the article has given enough facts to support this as a systemic problem. I think the title "Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel face an uncertain future" is a little misleading here. Calvary Chapel has grown to many churches and made a positive difference in many lives, including mine. I believe the growth of Calvary Chapel is only possible by the work of the Holy Spirit which continues to bless the many congratations around the world. Is adultery a problem in America today? Absolutely - is it a problem in the church, unfortunately yes. Regardless of our human weaknesses, the Word is still preached and it will not return void. So is the future uncertain - no I don't think so. Let's us all pray for our pastors and that they would be protected from adultery.

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Art

February 28, 2007  10:38am

Richard, Calvary Chapel is a cult because Chuck Smith teaches that you can lose your salvation. That's another Gospel! And it means Chuck teaches a false gospel that can't save anyone. He got that, not from the Bible, but from his days in the Foursquare crowd. His dangerous teachings are the worst kind of false teachings, because anyone can read through the Bible "line by line" and then twist and falsely present it, to the eternal destruction of the hearers.

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Richard

February 28, 2007  10:22am

CC is a cult? Really? Based on what criteria? I've been to several CC churches and I've always been impressed by their faithfulness to teaching the WHOLE word of God, methodically and systematically. That's a lot more than can be said for most evangelical-ish "feel good" churches these days. Duane, why do you say it's a false gospel? Have you read Hebrews chapter 6? Don't be so blinded by 5-pt. Calvinism that you have to attack CC and Chuck Smith. "In essentials, unity, in non-essentials, liberty, in all things, charity[love]." This article seems to take too much joy in criticizing CC and Smith. (BTW, I've never been a CC church member, in case you wondered.)

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Art

February 28, 2007  9:21am

Notice Chuck Smith's statement about "touching the Lord's anointed"? Didn't Jesus rebuke John the apostle for such calling down of fire on the heads of others? Cults always use intimidation tactics to promote themselves, and that's why CC is a cult.

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Henry

February 28, 2007  4:47am

Chuck Smith is a viper. Protect your family from this cult.

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Otto

February 28, 2007  1:05am

The Los Angeles Times has posted an article on its Web site titled "God's Word, plus static." More sad news about the Calvary Chapel movement. Looks to me like the Chapel needs a Reformation! Time to clean house. It's sad when things are so bad that a secular newspaper has to do the exposing. www.latimes.com

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Really?!

February 27, 2007  11:49pm

Puzzletop please, the PP blog is not a place of healing or prayer on most occasions. Mention a pastor Michael doesnt like and you will be treated beyond rudely. Photos are posted of pastors Michael has a problem wth, and things are added to them which are disrespectful, to say the least. Give me a break.........People are checking their brains at the blog door, and their discernment too.

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Haman?

February 27, 2007  11:40pm

When I was first told about this article I was perplexed. After reading it for myself I am even more perplexed as to why CT would even publish it. It is full of holes and very one sided. The title is ridiculous and contradictions are rampant through out it. It appears to borderline on "gossip" with no real purpose other than to tear down. It would be interesting to see the real reason why Rob Moll wrote it and previous poorly written articles that attack CC. As CC continues to take a stand on the emerging church and the importance of teaching sound Biblical Doctrine we can expect such feeble tabloid like reporting to continue to occur. One thing is for sure, God is continuing to do a mighty work through CC or Satan would not be attacking us.

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puzzletop

February 27, 2007  10:02pm

I suppose people said that Luther had more faith in the printing press than what he had in God. The Internet has had similar consequences in uncloaking and revealing decisions made in smoke filled rooms. Those decisions are openly, instantly and freely discussed. This has been to the chagrin of their secret agenda. Emotions can run high in a Phoenix Preacher blogging rant. People are talking, hoping, forgiving, not slinging mud as is perceived by some. What I have learned from this is that forgiveness has also been freely and clearly shown for the players that brought scandal on themselves. Fill in the blanks who you want to include. Reform is possible in any movement as long as our brothers keep talking but remembering Who expects us to forgive and to love one another. It can be done on the Internet or with a printing press or just face-to-face. I don’t think it makes much difference as long as we are faithful to do what we are told. As we trust God he will resolve this.

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Mike

February 27, 2007  9:14pm

We are supposed to police our own and this is way overdue. Lord help turn this around. Jerry is wrong about Arminian, Calvanist issue. Calvary Chapel teaches both are true and above our understanding. Isa 55:8-10.

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Mike

February 27, 2007  9:13pm

We are supposed to police our own and this is way overdue. Lord help turn this around. Jerry is wrong about Arminian, Calvanist issue. Calvary Chapel teaches both are true and above our understanding. Isa 55:8-10.

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Puzzle said :

February 27, 2007  7:07pm

"The internet has shown how things cannot be swept under the rug like they were in the past." PuzzleTop you apparently have more faith in the internet than in God in taking care of problems in the church. And yes I know you think you and Michael are the hand of God bringing correction but when God brings correction the results are much clearer that this mud slinging you and Michael and the rest are taking part in . I know who you are. I know you are a key player in this scattergun attack and that you are confident you are doing the right thing. I only hope you arejust as quick and prepared to take responsibility for the collateral damage you are inflicting.

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Peg

February 27, 2007  6:00pm

My family has been attending Calvary Chapel in both Melbourne and Ft. Lauderdale, FL. for several years. Both are Bible based, God fearing, loving congregations, growing by leaps and bounds, and both headed by pastors who love the Lord and preach the Word. I am shocked by the article and wonder what was the point of lumping all Calvary Chapels togther to discredit them. Our pastor at Melbourne has said repeatedly, "You will never find the perfect church, because you are there." If there is a problem in a church, they need to deal with it. What good does it serve to publish problems with a church or denomination and to bash them in a magazine article?

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Puzzletop

February 27, 2007  3:59pm

A fair and concise history of some of the problems that Calvary Chapel has. So now we see that the people there are human and make errors. What is not excusable is that the errors are not corrected and the beat goes on. The open forum allowed by Michael Newnham's blog, Phoenix Preacher has allowed the airing of grievances that have gone past the point of talking to your brother privately and taking two or three others to confront someone about what the issues are. Many of the posters there came with some emotional baggage but their words are weighed and there to show that not everything is peachy at Pleasantville CC. Many of the people that were ignored and marginalized by the leadership that chased off Pete Nelson were made aware that they could not do this with impunity. The community of believers found a platform that was denied them to address their concerns on the Phoenix Preacher. The internet has shown how things cannot be swept under the rug like they were in the past.

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Kelley

February 27, 2007  3:55pm

As I read this article, it felt all too familiar. When my husband & I began to question some serious leadership issues in a Calvary Chapel, my husband was accused of being abusive and I was having an affair. Neither of which are true, but both of us were shocked that church leaders would make such false allegations. After we researched our ex-pastor's history & the history of Calvary Chapel, we've found that this is a very common practice in the entire movement. It has been difficult finding a church with the dynamic teaching, but it is refreshing to sit in a church & have a finanical record posted on the bottom of the bulletin. I understand the "Moses Model" philosophy, but if I remember correctly Moses never got to the promised land. If I was Calvary, I'd make a new executive plan!

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Bill

February 27, 2007  2:04pm

No point in defending the indefensible. Calvary Chapel acts just like a cult. If anyone says anything negative about them, expect the hounds of Satan from CC to attack without mercy.

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MB

February 27, 2007  11:23am

I've said for years that Calvary Chapel's Achilles' heel is the Old Testiment leadership style. No place in New Testiment example is any man except Jesus given unquestionalble authority like given to Moses and CC Senior Pastors. The reason for that is as "Born Again" believers we all have the Holy Spirit governing our lives and all have elements of eternal truth God wants to share through every believer and gift.(I Cor 12) Having said that, we ALL error even senior pastors. Having been in and out of the movement for almost 30 years I have long ago lost track of the number of times a CC Senior Pastor heard from God, only to be shown incorrect at a later date, often times with peoples lives being destroyed in the balance. When trying to address a problem to avoid damages I would be often be meet with "don't raise your hand against God's annoited" forstalling any spiritual intervention. I've turned down three opportunities to be ordained as A CC Pastor because I need ACCOUNTABILITY. Pray!

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John CC

February 27, 2007  10:34am

I was very sad to read rob molls articles,sad not for the Calvary Chapel monement but for rob and Christianity today for allowing such an article to be published, it has done neither any good,his articles is a clear attempt to slander Pastor Chuck smith and the CC movement,neither are perfect nor is the Evangleical movemnent in the USA,The movenment will continue to grow because it is a work of the the Holy Spirit,both in the USA and around the world,Grace upon Grace is a distinctive of the Calvary Chapels,that's what you expect in Calvary Chapels first,I am sure the people in our world who lost and without hope,would be helped by reading Rob's articles!!If he was so concernd about the situation a private meeting with Pastor Chuck would have done more Good....or was it intended to do as much harm as possible! Christianity today has lost some of it's integrity!!

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Jeff

February 27, 2007  9:40am

To God be the glory! Only He is worthy of praise. People are sinners-and they run churches. CC is run by people who are sinners. CC is flawed. Well THERE'S a revelation for you! Every church is flawed. That doesn't mean we grade on the curve and accept the flaws. Certainly many of the charges made in this article are accurate. And many are false. Judging the entire movement by its errors demeans a great work of God. it's not the only work of God; but much fruit has come from CC. There is a difference between seeking truth and harping on error. One article will not "fix" the problems in CC; nor will it destroy the work of the movement. A wake up call to examine our hearts and integrity is always valuable; irrespective of how crudely that wake up call may be presented. God chose to have people lead His church. That allows for mistakes. But He is still sovereign. He knew these things would happen. He knew this article would be written. And He knows how these things will work

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was there

February 27, 2007  1:38am

It isn't surprising- they are getting their comeuppance.

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mdc

February 26, 2007  10:21pm

You couldn't pay me to attend a calvary chapel. Unaccountable "nondenominatianal" denominations, crazy eschatology, messed up soterieology, a steady anti-intellectualism. Way too much foolishness to ever truly impact the world.

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dale

February 26, 2007  10:08pm

After many years of experience among hard-core independent cultural fundamentalists, I came across Calvary Chapel. While I know many involved in Calvary Chapel are not of that ilk, many in Southern California are. I call them "fundies in board shorts." When kidding is set aside, I think one of the tragic things I've seen in SoCal is that Calvary Chapel believe it IS relevant. Yet many I know are healing from spiritual abuses found at Calvary Chapels in SoCal. And it is something that needs to be addressed. I'm glad CT had some courage with this one.

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Left Calvary Years ago

February 26, 2007  7:46pm

I disagree with the statement from Former CC-ite above. If read correctly it states:"Talk to Calvary Chapel pastors about their theology, and they appear the epitome of evangelical balance and moderation: neither Calvinist nor Arminian" "THEY APPEAR" to have this balance. They obviously do not.... I left years ago when the Pastor would not repent of "The Soveriegnty of man" gospel. GOD is Soveriegn. Fear Him, Worship Him, not the institution. It's about time the TRUTH came out.

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Francine

February 26, 2007  7:27pm

As I started reading more of this article, I felt like it hinged on gossip. What was the point? I do not attend Calvary Chapel. But was very much saddened. We can all point out the sins of others, but what about our own. Yes, we do need to be held accountable to God for our actions, and to help with reconciliation. When you write and people choose not to give their names, then I would consider them not credible. If your going to speak about someones sin, then have the courage to but your name to it. What ever the back lash, if any. Christians, sadly are good at doing their own "drive by shootings."

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mt

February 26, 2007  6:03pm

After years of thinking CC was the epitomy for Biblical teaching, and blindly believing the leaders, I was put in a position where I saw way too much. Unfortuately, the article is truely the tip pf the iceberg.

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JB

February 26, 2007  5:07pm

Kelli, a group may have the Person of Jesus Christ accurately portrayed, yet the group acts in a way to exalt a man above all others, and that is the case with calvary chapel. They are a cult, with Chuck Smith as their head. Even so, I don't know that Chuck Smith knows Jesus Christ that well. If he did, then he wouldn't teach that you can lose your salvation. Smith is wrong on church leadership and wrong on salvation.

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Sam

February 26, 2007  5:03pm

Yes to Jesus, no to Calvary Chapel.

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Eddie Taylor

February 26, 2007  4:28pm

Bummer you had to write such an article as this, lots of unnamed resources of "factual" information, I think that in the Bible is gossip. Sir, Calvary Chapel is not going to crumble because of the little scandlas you have dug up, because we are not established on the backs of imperfect men but on Jesus Christ. If we were established any other way we would have crumbled years ago. God never uses perfect people. Yes, Calvary pastors have stumbled and fallen but that by no means eliminates them, for God is ready and willing to show His grace on those that repent. I am a son of a Calvary Pastor and a current Calvary Chapel Bible College student, and I can tell you that we are founded on what God can do and not the tool that He uses. Guess what...Calvary Chapel is going to continue teaching the Word, so publish what you want but know that my dad is definitely not above accountability... So thanks for trying to speak for the entire Christian body, but no thanks.

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Kelli

February 26, 2007  4:00pm

JB, is your judgment of the faith of many based on the presumed misdeeds of a few? Jesus is the only son of God. He was born of a virgin, conceived by God, and lived on Earth being both fully God and man. He died for the sins of all people and on the third day was resurrected. He sits on the mercy seat in the presence of the Father as the propitiation for the sins of all who believe in Him. There is only one true living God and He is a triune God consisting of the Father, Son and Spirit. A cult is primarily defined by it's inaccurate assessment of the person of Jesus Christ. If a group denies the deity of Christ and acknowledges Him as merely a good teacher, states that Christ did not actually die on the cross or was not resurrected, and/or claims that the blood of Christ is insufficient for the cleansing of our sins to restore us to God the Father, then that group is a cult. Calvary Chapel does not misrepresent the person of Christ. There are many true believers attending Calvary.

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LLF

February 26, 2007  2:36pm

Been in the same Cc for over 20 years. I don't worship the church, CC, my pastor or Chuck Smith. I worship and serve a living Savior. I also know, if you are claiming this article and PP as your source of truth, you had best look again. The Word of God is the source of all truth. This article doesnt have enough facts in it to be called truth. And if you think the dear folks at PP are all about truth, wait until someone you respect in the CC movement or other evangelical circles, has their name dragged wrongly across the blog. Then when you are crying wolf, no one is going to believe you or stand up for your side. At least not there on the blog, and apparently not in this magazine. If you are a journalist, a real one, please investigate Mr. Moll and Mr. Newnham. Let's see how pure a background they have. And if you are a believer, pray for God to uphold the real truth and for it to be revealed to you. Talk to the actual people involved, and decide on your own. Get the facts.

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joe

February 26, 2007  2:25pm

It’s a sad day when a once great Christian publication must resort to sensational tabloid journalism in maligning a ministry that has as it’s focus the simple teaching of the Word of God in winning, building, and sending people for the cause of Christ under the umrella of God's agape love. I think repentance is in order for the author and for all the C.T. editorial staff for allowing our mutual enemy to sow discord among the Body of Christ at large. I pray that you will be more discerning in the future before you ready, fire, aim.

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elb

February 26, 2007  1:24pm

Christianity Today, Even the title of this article, "Day of Reckoning..." more than implies that you have chosen to pass judgment upon Calvary Chapel and certain persons specifically associated with them, and all based on fragmented bits of information gathered here and there. This article is full of gossip, hearsay and slander. CT has not even so much as humbled themselves to the fact that they obviously do not have the whole story. I am shocked that as professed believers in Jesus Christ that you would dare to "reckon" this matter at all when clearly there is far more going on in such a complex situation. As Christians, when we happen upon trouble among believers we should lovingly pray and approach the matter as led by the Holy Spirit. We should not strive to make a bad situation worse. CT, I urge you to remember that "without love you have become a clanging cymbal," and your judgment-filled article about Calvary Chapel lacked a most important ingredient, "LOVE!" elb

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Nancy

February 26, 2007  1:03pm

It is the glory of God to CONCEAL a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

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JB

February 26, 2007  12:53pm

Calvary Chapel is a cult.

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Jeff

February 26, 2007  11:46am

Just a few quick & concise thoughts. 1. Get back to me when you find the perfect church (you know, the one without sinners in leadership). 2. This is a perfect example of how Satan attacks the body of Christ from within (and I include CT magazine). 3. With 1,300 churches and thousands of pastors I wouldn't call this an epidemic by any stretch. 4. Calvary is not "seeker sensitive". They welcome the lost and those not welcome at other churches if they have a checkered background (including prison and/or jail). They do not water down the gospel or ignore sin. Sounds just like Jesus to me.

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Avid Reader

February 26, 2007  10:27am

Thank you Rob and the Phoenix Preacher for exposing the truth. It has been a long time coming. I used to think CC just had a few problems. After reading some of these posts I'm with David, CC is a cult. A new blog has sprung up called simplemindedpreacher. The name speaks for itself. Only CC pastors are allowed to post there. We are not allowed to touch their "anointed". Anyone attending any of the CC churches who pastors post there should be heading for the door. They have made it clear you have no say and they could care less about your feelings or input. Watch out people, CC is clearly circling the wagons and preparing more Kool-aid. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The entire story of Chuck Smith's corruption has yet to be told. Be patient though, it won't be much longer.

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Ron Mayhue/CC CA.

February 26, 2007  9:30am

Why would a Christian magazine want to create such a confused message to possibly new believers is beyond me. These type of problems are in every organzation. The enemie is trying to distroy all ministries that please GOD. This type of gossip collum is what the devil loves. Please reconsider what your magazines agenda is. Would this please God? I think not. Use this magazines great power to please him. Praying for you. Ron Mayhue CrescentCity Ca.

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MJ

February 26, 2007  9:13am

I am a member of Calvary Chapel. I know our church is not perfect but the word of God is taught in truth! What is wrong with us, why do we feel the need to crush our brothers & sisters in the Lord? No one is perfect not one! Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. James 3:10

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Taylor

February 26, 2007  8:35am

Funny posts. Show all the signs of a cult. You have one person a few posts below that asks anyone that questions Calvary Chapel, if that person is even in the faith! Talk about a brainwashed cult mentality. Then another person equates Christanity with George W. Bush. I guess that person will be shocked to find out that Bush took a vow to Satan in the Skull and Bones club of Yale University, and that Bush visits Bohemian Grove in northern California to worship Moloch. But keep drinking the kool aid. GWB is wonderful, Chuck Smith is wonderful, who needs Jesus, because we have CC and the Republican Party!

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Shell

February 26, 2007  8:16am

It's interesting to read such strong emotion on both sides of the Calvary aisle. To come to any kind of understanding, each side needs to see the legitimacy of the other's position: Calvary HAS been used mightily by the Lord. The Holy Spirit HAS done a great work. However, there have been Calvary pastors who have abused their position of power and trust. God's Word says He will not put up with shepherds who abuse HIS flock, "Woe to the shepherds who only take care of themselves! ..You have ruled harshly and brutally...I am against the shepherd and will hold them accountable for My flock. I will remove them from tending the flock...I will shepherd the flock with justice." Ez.34. We should welcome a temple cleansing (Matt.21) both in ourselves and in our churches because God's word says He will not listen to the prayers of those in known sin (Is.59 & Ps. 66). Purify Your temple, Lord, and "remove what can be shaken..so that what cannot be shaken will remain."Heb.12:27. Amen

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Darren

February 26, 2007  7:42am

WOW!! I had to stop and ask myself....am I reading an article by Christians about Christians? Or was I on CNN reading about George Bush.....same slant. CC is not close to perfect, and there are issues to be addressed as this very young movement grows. A close look at any movement (even the dead mainline protestant ones) would reveal problems. I applaud CC for preaching the Word of God and encourage all involved to be open to the correction of the Lord while maintaining the very hearts that God used to start this great movement.

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friend

February 26, 2007  2:31am

Be sure your sin will find you out! Now lets repent and get right with the LORD get back to winning the lost to Christ!

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Andrew Thompson

February 26, 2007  12:14am

My initial reaction was an urgency to rebuke, reproof and correct you, Moll, according to the clear instructions for ‘body life’, but I’m sure you have your own copy of the bible somewhere. ‘Toby’ was far more gracious in his comments, and I agree whole-heartedly with his review, including the issue of accountability. My close friend who cannot bring himself, or his wife, to come back to any CC, was even supportive enough to comment on the article, “we are still men”, and “there are good kings, and bad kings!” My faith is in Christ, not man, nor institution. This was the first copy of CT I have purchased in several years, so it will not hurt your readership at all, that it will be years before I wonder what else I missing out on. Oh well, media as usual. I had hoped for a higher standard, but then Christianity Today is more than just a magazine title, it’s a huge cause for prayer. Please forgive us Father, as we endeavor to learn to forgive each other!

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eric

February 25, 2007  11:33pm

i'm new at all this, but i can say that the stuff i learn at calvary mesa az from pastor john h makes me understand the bible better than the church i use to go to. he's nuts for jesus probly best fan jesus has. so whats all the grief? i know i'm no better than you mr moll. so i guess your no better than mr smith, huh? ya know that human thing.

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Elizabeth

February 25, 2007  9:52pm

I am totally apalled at your ecumenical and rag mag reporting. I am sure the only reason you have picked on Calvary Chapels is because you have already fallen and want to bring the sound teachers down with you. I find your reporting of Calvary Chapels very one-sided and biased. It astounds me that you would find nothing wrong with the Mother of Harlots and yet try to denegrate Calvary Chapels, Chuck Smith and the pastors associated with that ministry. Perhaps the staff and reporters should start reading their Bibles before calling the kettle black. Roman 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God" 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; I guess CT has itching ears

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Dee Googins

February 25, 2007  9:16pm

I can say one very important thing about Calvary Chapel and its teachings. It stands on the truth of Christ and the word of God. In my opinion if there are any church’s out there that are taking the time to teach a very lost society verse by verse then they should be applauded, not condemned.

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j.edwards

February 25, 2007  9:07pm

Examine yourself to see if you be in the faith. Or don't you know this about yourself, that Jesus Christ is indeed in you. Unless, indeed, you fail the test. The Lord rebuke you!

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John B. Cameron

February 25, 2007  6:49pm

I am pleased that CT has exposed thers churches for wha they are. These pastors become Protestant Popes. We do not need them. The Lord will deal with them in His own time and in His own way. So look out, holy pastors. Your sins will find you out. The sad thing is that lay people fall prey to these evangelical monsters who God talk their way around their sinful lives. Shakespeare said, referring to these types of his day, " the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose, An evil soul producing holy witness, Is like a villain with a smiling cheak. O what a goodly outside falsehood hath. Now, it up to the lay people to gain control of their church/chapel. If this cannot be done legally, honestly and morally, then shake the dust off your feet and get out. Do not fellowhsip with these sinners. Come out from among them and be ye separate. The Lord cannot bless this type of behaviour in any fellowhsip. Five Star Rating

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Faith Survives All

February 25, 2007  3:37pm

I have been a worship team member at Calvary Chapel Tri-City in Tempe, AZ with Pastor John Higgins for the last 5 years, and I thank God every day for leading us to this fellowship of believers. My wife of 23 yrs and I have went to "church" forever, but not until we started at Calvary were the scales lifted from our eyes. Calvary encourages you to have a personal relationship with Jesus, to get deep in the word and to do good works. John Higgins came from the early movement with Chuck Smith and leads his flock admirably and honorably. The enemy is sewing discord among ALL churches in America seemingly, and I believe Calvary deals with their issues openly and scripturally. John takes his lead from Chuck, if that be so, I believe Chuck Smith's integrity must be intact. "There is none righteous, no, not one", so is this really news? Or the enemy trying to destroy an organization winning souls to Christ every minute? I encourage any reader to attend a Calvary service!

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Abe

February 25, 2007  2:49pm

Good article

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Linda

February 25, 2007  2:49pm

At 57, I have learned more about God's Word in my 1 year of attendance at a Calvary Chapel than all my years combined of attending both denominational & non-denominational churches in which I learned more about what the pastors thinks than what GOD says. Also, teachings from both sermons & conferences are made available to the congregation at no charge (no greed here) either by recordings or internet transmission. Additionally, we are continually encouraged to verify everything against GOD's Word; at Calvary, it's all about Christ Jesus. The only perfect person who walked this earth is Christ Jesus; the only perfect place is Heaven. I recall the Bible somewhere has something to say about Jesus' encounter with a woman whose indiscretions were being scrutinized by a bunch of holier-than-thou individuals; who, by the way, all scattered after Jesus wrote something in the sand, (possibly their own indiscretions?), so be careful before passing judgements! May GOD's Grace be with you all!

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Paul

February 25, 2007  2:47pm

Calvary Chapel is unbiblical heresy, condemnation, authoritarianism, power and money schemes, and a false gospel, all masquerading as "watered-down Christianity" like all megachurches.

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Kimberly

February 25, 2007  8:56am

I am VERY disgusted they would allow you to post such an article! There are many churches to have there problems. Not just the Calvary Chapels! Yes,it may have been wrong to rehire those pastors.But ultimately God is in control! God can raise up & take down. Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.1 Thess. 5:11. I have grown up in a Calvary Chapel.And I've attended Chuck Smith's church many times! Calvary Chapel has been the BEST church I have EVER attended!! As a Christian Magazine,who's motive should be to edify & pray for other church's.Not tear down!

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Aaron

February 25, 2007  8:16am

Calvary Chapel is a Roman Catholic-like set up. They're right out of the RCC, in theses ways: 1) They have a "Holy Father" ("papa Chuck") that is the final authority 2) Chuck endorses the RCC in several of his junk books 3) Chuck teaches that you can lose your salvation, and he teaches there's no assurance, just like the RCC. That makes Chuck a false teacher 4) When you question the leaders, you get ostracized, like the RCC 5) Money and power are the huge within the circles of CC, and they view the people as serfs and slaves, like the little children of Israel in the wilderness. CC is a horrible place.

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Kevin Walding

February 24, 2007  11:02pm

Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.

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Katie

February 24, 2007  10:38pm

Wow. It is upsetting to see such a misrepresentation of a truly amazing work that God is doing. I feel as if I should write a full esponse, but the truth is, anyone who reads this article will realize the complete lack of validity. Obviously, someone was desparate for an article. This will definitely be the last time I visit this site.

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BT

February 24, 2007  7:19pm

This was a great article, sad to hear the negative information especially if it is true. Chuck Smith and his wife had the insight to minister to the hippie counter-culture of the 1960's on their level when many mainline churches were only offering pipe-organ music and lectures about the brotherhood of man. With God's help they made something great happen and the rest is history. Yes the CC's can tend to be a little authoritarian some believe, but what about those in other fellowships where the pastor is a hired hand that has to deal with a bunch of knuckleheads?

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Robin

February 24, 2007  5:37pm

Well what next? There are many non denominational churches that have the same type of leadership style. Many parachurch mission agencies,same thing. New christians in many discipleship programs...just look at the material they are reading and being taught. It reinforces the don't touch God's annointed to speak!!! "The devil is trying to divide" is a pretty common response which will be next. I hope God raises some sound leadership and theology over the next two decades. Where are they?

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Joey

February 24, 2007  4:39pm

I thought Chuck Smith's quote was interesting about how CT should not be touching God's annointed. I did not know the CT magazine was trying to kill anyone, they were just asking questions. Maybe Mr.Smith should check the context of verses before he speaks.

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Jan Rogers

February 24, 2007  10:35am

I read both this article and some of the responses with a heavy heart. We first began attending CC in 1994, and our lives were forever changed by the power of the Holy Spirit and the depth of the expository teaching. In 1995, we moved away and started a home fellowship. In 1997, our little group hired a pastor. After a few years, however, we began to see some of the same problems of accountability. However, we persevered for 10 years. Then some things happened which were unbiblical and unloving and we sensed God calling us rather abruptly out. Because of the many who have left over the years sadly enough the church now has a reputation here of being an unloving church that wounds and abuses authority. All this said though it would be unfair to lump all CCs together because many are not that way. Over all its years CC has reached many for Christ. Yes there are human flaws in the leadership model and yes CC is at a crossroads. So, how then to respond? Pray without ceasing !

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2 Timothy 3:1-5

February 24, 2007  8:04am

What makes these last days so perilous? FOR MEN WILL BE.... This is not a Calvary Chapel issue, this is a "body of Christ" in the American church issue. We are acting like the unbelievers all around us - as 2 Timothy describes. Humanism abounds in the American church (lovers of SELF). We can blast away at ANY denomination or group of Christians, because they all fall short of the glory of God. But, spread throughout are Spirit filled, walking-the-walk believers. Too often, many are being conformed to this world rather than Christ 1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 FOR MEN WILL BE lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

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Jen

February 24, 2007  12:26am

Thank you for writing this article. Calvary Chapel indeed has sytemic problems. I, myself, was abused spiritually and emotionally in one for ten years. The CC I was at fired the pastor that I worked closely with and assisted for sexual misconduct. He, however, left behind a web of confusion and consequences. He was emotionally and spiritually abusing for years before this crossing of physical boundaries. Beyond this, the other pastors enabled him and abused their authority themselves. It may be God's grace that articles telling the truth regarding these things are printed!

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Rev. David Del Conte

February 23, 2007  9:41pm

I am so glad that as a leader in my church there is no sin among us. We are not lax. If we hear even the slightest talk of sin in our church we take away their salvation. And going to litigation? That's unheard of. Imagine to people at odds going before a judge. Where is Solomon when you need him? Let's just cut the baby in 1/2. In all honesty, my dear friend, an ex Calvary Pastor was kicked out of his own church for allegedly having an affair. Knowing my friend as I do, this is an absurd accusation. The accuser of my bretheren recanted her claim of his immorality, but it was too late. He was gone. He is doing well however, under the guidance of Daily Bread Ministries of Capistrano Beach, California, where the whole congretation is full of sinners. Can you imagine that. Even I, the CEO of the association had a Corona beer with my Mexican lunch the other day. and as we know, Paul never told Timothy a little beer was good for the tummy.

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bill

February 23, 2007  9:10pm

you are right Bill, ...I am sorry to Calvin....and to the Lord....frustrated with this that's all

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Bill Daniels

February 23, 2007  7:40pm

this message is for bill - who wrote the previous message. Regardless of your position - do you think "shut up calvin you fool - go get saved" is edifying? I mean to just post something like that and move on does nothing but prove to the world how proclaiming Christians are no different than they are over threads you see on sports events. Even if the guy denounced Christ.... you wouldnt use that tone or even say "get saved" - you would most definitely pray over his soul. But that guy said nothing wrong - only stating his opinion which if shut down only goes to prove the point of the message that 'some' leaders of Calvary Chapel dont want to be challenged or even step back to see if where they're leading their flock is the direction God has them going. (and by the way - i've attended Calvary Chapel for the past 20 some years so i'm not an 'anti-calvary chapel' person - but i'm not pro- ANY church... i'm pro Christ Jesus and spreading the truth of the gospel no matter what church.)

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C.B.

February 23, 2007  6:28pm

Very balanced article. Moll could have written about many, many more disgusting CC problems, but chose not to. And he included defenders such as Bill Ritchie whose reputation certainly gives a great boost to Chuck Smith and CC. Wake up, folks. The Apostle Paul named names and warned people. We need to get our heads out of the sand and look at what's happening. Stop worshiping your denomination or your pastor.

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bill

February 23, 2007  5:14pm

Shut Up Calvin....you fool, go get saved

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King Solomon

February 23, 2007  3:49pm

Prov 14:4 Where no oxen are, the trough is clean; But much increase comes by the strength of an ox. It's to bad that C.T. would rather play in poop, than run with the bulls.

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Calvin's Disciple

February 23, 2007  3:15pm

Let's get past these comments about "broad brushing" CC! Did Mr. Smith, et al assist Ms. Pollitt in filing a lawsuit as a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ against another ministry of the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I call Mr. Kestler's ministry a gospel ministry because we can't touch the "annointed". Did Mr. Smith allow his son to preach aberrant theology to his church under the auspices of the precious Calvary Chapel name, and for how long? Was it only for a couple of weeks? months? years? Would those same teachings from CC Capo Beach be allowed to be promoted throughout the CC network? If not, how long did it take before the "Emerging Church" statement of position was made? How many of Christ's precious Bride were placed under those teachings, and again, for how long? Brothers and Sisters, preach and teach God's people the Truth, accept nothing less. Remember the story of Eli and his two sons, Eli did not finish well, unless we're reading from different bibles.

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SisterMae

February 23, 2007  10:44am

I found the article interesting...I had many friends accept Jesus during this time it was 1991 before I gave my life to Jesus....I find it disturbing that so many churches are being called upon the carpet with so much dirty laundry...but then pastors are just flesh an blood humans and humans make mistakes... Mae

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d

February 23, 2007  9:39am

I had been introduced to "Calvary" as a young child, and some of the issues that appear in these articles are not shocking. I understand that we all sin, but when you are in a seat of setting an example you should live your life as an open book. If you cannot then you should step out of the spot light. Many lives have been destroyed by people of the "church" and Pastors of Calvary Chapels go on protecting and covering up. I have witnessed some accurances just like these stories being called out. Then only advice I would like to offer is look to God and not to man, only then will your salvation be spared. If you look to these supposed men of God who think they are untouchable for all guidence you will be desperately disapointed. As even I have struggled to seperate the too. Please keep on investigating, as people want to know the truth.

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David in CA

February 23, 2007  2:39am

Monday morning quarterbacks. It's so easy to be a critic. Problems at less than 10 churches/Ministries out of 1300 quoted here do not spell out failure of God's work. Even if true, what is the surprise about faulted humans? Why do observer Christians 'shoot the wounded' or 'feed like sharks'? Institutionalization of Calvary Chapels would be hurtful. Many are completely accountable and some mentioned here are still strong after drama. The critics haven't fostered a global church movement! Most don't speak until their efforts to hold on or creep-in have failed. Who can stand? God proves He alone is reliable and small men propose control as a solution. I trust Calvary Chapel. I expect men and women to fall short. The survival of the church is not the goal. Preaching the gospel and making disciples is. Isn't an Editor at CT the wife of a disgruntled pastor? This is a sad article.

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Ord Wingate

February 23, 2007  12:03am

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing and you perpetuate it. Honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for your broad brushing categories of Calvary Chapel's!

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Rebekah

February 22, 2007  11:07pm

I have been a member of Calvary Chapel since I was 12 years old, and I have yet to see what Moll calls an "uncertain future" looming on the horizon of this organization. While the truth is that power corrupts and that Calvary Chapels should perhaps offer better accountability for their leaders and pastors, all the Calvary Chapel churches that I have attended have taught me more about Christ, increased my knowledge of the Bible, and shown me the love of God. This is definitely a one-sided argument that fails to adequately acknowledge the good that Calvary Chapels have done in American society, helping steer the Christian subculture away from an isolationist traditionalism that the denominations were threatening to plunge it into. If these accusations are indeed correct, then let the affected Calvary Chapels and power-hungry pastors, if they do exist, be corrected and chastised by the same Bible whose principles they preach so passionately.

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MaryEllen S

February 22, 2007  5:18pm

Ha Ha Ha... CT the "Magazine of Evangelical Conviction" Answer me this: Was Ted Haggard your poster boy for while? YES Was he your 'evangelical' leader? YES. Was he the pastor of a Calvary Chapel? NO Did he get discredited like Pastor Chuck? NO not by this magazine! You are no speaker for evangelical Christians.

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jack crandall

February 22, 2007  5:15pm

Those that can - do. Those that can't - gossip about those that can.

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Scotty

February 22, 2007  5:15pm

My dad loves God and pastors a very large Calvary Chapel. Having grown up in the church, these kinds of pot shots come all the time. We just step back, examine our hearts, and step up with what God has clearly spoken. Calvary Chapel is not recognized by God, but godly men who serve churches with the name are. He loves you guys as you faithfully serve and love Him, by faithfully serving and loving His flock. Don't let this magazine or the silly responses here stumble you. Just keep your eyes on Jesus!

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Andre Delgado

February 22, 2007  5:10pm

As Christians we should strive to be different than the world. It is truly sad to see a Christian publication use unchristian tactics. Allowing the use of unarmed sources is both unbiblical and cowardly.

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Heather

February 22, 2007  5:00pm

As the Daughter of a CC pastor, this article was very accurate. There are good CC's and bad ones. For decades there have been requests for accountability that have gone unanswered. There are other pastors that were "hired UP" after their sexual misconducts to CC Costa Mesa. Now we watch the vultures circle as they all want Chuck's position. What does the future hold for this denomination that refuses to be called a denomination?

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PJI

February 22, 2007  4:27pm

Much as I believe in the CC model, this is complete validation for what I've been through the past ten years. My former pastor, a Chuck Smith protege, made his first order of business cutting down myself or anyone who in any way questioned his vision or performance. If the genesis of any idea came from anyone else, it was not worth consideration. The result is a church which has no vision or plan for the future, is filled with the area's misfits and sycophants, and is dwindling on the vine. I say it's time for the Holy Spirit to clean house. This is healthy.

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CC Swain

February 22, 2007  4:25pm

Let's try a little bit of the Bible here: Proverbs 18:17 The first one to plead his cause seems right, Until his neighbor comes and examines him. R. Moll should have never allowed this story to go to print without the 'unknown' sources were either willing to be named and/or others were interviewed to either substantiate or deny the rumors. On top of that, I guess the whole story should have stay shelved since it is filled with rumors, half truths, and sloppy journalism. Christianity Today should have devotions daily (even with the unbelieivers who are employed there) so that God can use His Word to stop you from doing unbiblical things.

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Anonymous

February 22, 2007  4:18pm

I notice you list as your founder, Billy Graham. You might want to call him and ask him about his Modesto Manifesto in which for the sake of the Body of Christ, as well as to an unbelieving world looking on, they chose never to criticize or speak ill of fellow churches or brothers or sisters in Christ. I wonder how Rob Moll and the CT staff would feel if one of their long-time employees decided to interview various "sources" who had been on their staff through the years, listen to all their "accounts" of personal failures, divorces, financial trouble, personal family disagreements, etc., and then send copies of all the "sources' accounts" to all the newspapers. Even if you could prove, absolutey, without doubt that every "account" and every "source" was pure and true and without guile, that still would not justify this article! Galatians 5:15 - "But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed of another." Now, there's a Perfect "Source"!!

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Calvin

February 22, 2007  4:01pm

Can we just remember one thing, and for all of you who are bagging on CT, criticism is biblical. Paul confronted Peter “to the face” about his hypocrisy. Was Paul being unloving and un-Christian like? If any of you believe that exposing sin in the church is divisive and "unloving" you are the one with your head under ground. And you are not reading your bibles carefully! Jesus said to the churches in the Revelation repeatedly, "I have this against you!!!" All of you CC groupies need to wake up and get off the love train. Forget the 60s and focus on today! Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. The church of the living God is to be a HOLY church and NOT to be run by a bunch of entrepreneurial wolves in sheep’s clothing! Away with them! "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God (1 Peter 4:17) and unless they REPENT, every false CC pastor is going to be judged for all their many sins and abuses!

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Duane

February 22, 2007  3:58pm

It is said well below. Chuck Smith teaches a false gospel. He thinks you can lose your salvation. Do you want that guy teaching you? Everyone should avoid Calvary chapel.

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Peggy

February 22, 2007  3:41pm

Much of what is stated is one sided opinions and only half of each man's story. There is each mans side of the issue and then there is God's side. We'd do well to realize only God knows the full truth of each issue and it is God's place to judge not ours.

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Scott O'Neill

February 22, 2007  3:37pm

It was a Calvary chapel pastor who led me to Jesus. Later, along with a good Bible believing church, Calvary Chapel Radio helped me to grow. A few years later I attended Calvary Chapel Bible College and grew much more. Every step of the way they pointed me to Jesus, "the author and finisher of my faith." Today I continue to love and serve Jesus. I thank God for the work they have done and continue to do. At the same time I see people complain and backbite church leadership from time to time. Very rairely do I find that these people have all of the information to make such judgments nor do they have a heart of true and godly concern. My question for you all is where is your focus and where is your heart? Are you glorifying Christ in all you do and say. Or are you playing some small part in the tearing down of His church. If CT is truly concerned with church discipline then they should be disciplined themselves now for writing such a devisive article. They should repent!

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Ed Taylor

February 22, 2007  3:02pm

I thank God that He brought me to a Calvary Chapel in 1991. And I count it a privilidge to now serve a congregation as pastor affliated with Calvary Chapel! My life was a mess and one step away from destruction. I heard the Bible taught, energized not by a man above accountability, but by a humble man who taught me I was a sinner and God provided a way of escape for me, salvation through Jesus Christ. My pastor continued week after week, month after month, year after year teaching me the Scriptures, as well as giving me opportunities to serve Him. My family so appreciates Jesus and the pastor who was faithful to teach us His Word.I love Jesus with all my heart, soul, and mind. I pray that my life is used greatly to WIN the lost to Jesus, DISCIPLE believers in Jesus, & SEND out belivers for Jesus. It's all about Jesus Mr. Moll. I'm very sorry you missed Jesus in the article, because He loves, forgives, and helps those of us who aren't perfect. For that I will be forever grateful!

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Victoria Morgan, Calvary Tucson Multimedia

February 22, 2007  2:23pm

Fellow Christians, I have five short points to make: 1. God requires from us a broken and contrite heart, along with sincere repentance, and then God commands us to restore such a one. Remember, He restored you the same way. 2. Love commands us to reach out a helping hand when a Christian ship is sinking (as you claim), not to throw an anchor onto the deck. 3. I'm not sure what other "types" of churches share publicly that their pastors have fallen into sexual sin, but Calvary Chapel's accountability is high enough that they are public about their pastor's downfalls. We are not perfect, there is only One who is. 4. The log in your own eye is going to get bigger if God wills it, perhaps to show you that everyone, including you, is subject to downfalls. Take heed, lest you fall. Shouldn't we be praying for each other, exhorting each other, believing all things and hoping all things? 5. I'm not crazy about some of Chuck Smith's decisions, but I don't worship him either.

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David Bond

February 22, 2007  2:15pm

Moriel & Jacob Prasch take extreme exception to the article by Bob Moll in the March edition (posted on the Internet on 2/16/07) of Christianity Today, as factually inaccurate and misrepresentative in its contents and grossly unfair and unjust in its conclusions. This publication, Christianity Today, has itself has long ago departed from what Moriel would hold as a biblical orthodoxy in its compromise regarding ecumenical deception and of late its promulgation of the contra ascriptural 'Purpose Driven' errors and of the unmitigated heresy of Emergent Church guru Brian McClaren. * What Calvary Chapel defines as 'The Moses Principle' with a its emphasis on the role of senior pastor is probably the model of ecclesiastical polity of the majority of churches, movements, and denominations in the world today and is not the implied invention of Calvary Chapel or Chuck Smith as is implied in the article. While it is not the form of church government Moriel views as most scriptural as

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David Evans

February 22, 2007  1:49pm

This type of journalism does not surprise me in the least bit from this liberal “Christian” magazine! Anyone who would print anything in the guise of anonymity is nothing but unfounded gossip and should not even be heard or recognized as anything else. For the most part the Calvary Chapel ‘movement’ has been very instrumental in the work of the LORD, helping many to fall in love with the word of God and to see the lies that are being perpetrated upon the church by the likes of Rick Warren, Joel Olsten, Joyce Myers, TD Jakes and all the other blab-it-and-grab-it preachers on the big hair channels, as well as, those denominations ordaining women and homosexuals and the priests that are molesting children and raping nuns. Where are the stories warning the flock about these wolves! Remember the words of the Lord – blessed are you when men say all manner of evil about you and sham on you for your one sided mainstream approach of spreading rumors and gossip.

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Reality check

February 22, 2007  1:42pm

Everyone in the Christian community knows what a fraud that Newham dude is! You would have done better, much better not to have included him in your article! Now he is going after Bob Larsen who is just like him! Imagine that! Amazing what a blog can do to a person! What do we call all these bizarre women who are worshipping him now, Hammites???

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Mike

February 22, 2007  12:49pm

I just say that you look at your heart and what is the real reason for this article? It seems to be tearing down other Christians because of a few problems that exist. it also seems to be the spread of gossip...talk about accountability? Anyone can have unnamed "sources" in their writing but that's just spreading hearsay around. Is something wrong with their foundational doctrine? No, so why give non-believers something to scoff at and say "see the church can't get along" as well as give believers reason to judge their brothers with pretense. If the article was written with bitterness or envy, repent. If you read this article and feel happy because you don't like CC, then also repent and pray instead for the Lord to change what needs to be changed. Look to edify, not edi-fry your brothers in the Lord. I just think this shows a lack of poor journalism with some of the "credible" sources lashing out in bitterness. I'd pray we'd unify rather than divide over minor differences.

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Tammie

February 22, 2007  12:31pm

I am so saddened by this article. We are to be lights in a dark world, this article is trashing a wonderful ministry that teaches God's word line upon line. Mr. Moll are you a Born again believer? If you proclaim to be then don't drag other believers names throught the mud. If these problems are occuring then we as christians need to pray for these people. The Lord is faithful. We are to live in the the world but not be like the world. This article is like something a nonchristian would write. I am not saying Calvary Chapel is perfect only JESUS is perfect. Let's stop hindering the work of JESUS and spread the good news of what HE did for us.

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HG - Margate FL

February 22, 2007  12:25pm

I understand the need to publish...but at what expense? If we see that the police could not find fault and they say it directly to CT, then why include it? The whole Bible is a manual of Restoration! God shows verse after verse of his desire to reconcile us to Himself...after all does it not say in 2 Corth 5:18-19 "Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation." So we see a true desire to "restore/reconcile" these pastors by Calvary Chapel...praise God! I believe that there are so many needed stories for you to cover and uncover, as with a Miami "Pastor" who claims he IS Jesus Christ Man (www.cegenglish.com) and has his congregation tatooing 666 (as he did) on their bodies. Wanna report? Report truth and put aside "Un-named sources".

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Sandi

February 22, 2007  10:43am

Accountability-Is there a Pastor, staff or church who doesn't need to make sure this is in place in all areas...Sexually, Emotionally, Financially? Should anyone be above accountability? There is an epidemic of fallen pastors, broken homes and wounded churches. Let's read this as a wake up call to all churches.

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MannyO

February 22, 2007  9:49am

Hi Rob, I am not too sure how to recieve the contents of this article. I have no question on the accuracy of the information given but I definitely question the heart behind this publishing. Jesus chose the twelve knowing the quality of men He was getting. Why didn't He choose the Pharisee? They seemed to have it all together didn't they? From an institutional religious standpoint, yes. But God chooses the foolishes things of the this world to confound the wise so that HE gets the glory not man and frankly its working just fine. The Pharisee was so full of himself that he wanted the glory. We can all turn into Pharisees when we think more highly of ourselves than we ought. We all have a responsibility before the Lord to represent Him well.

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Joe

February 22, 2007  8:11am

It is articles like this that give folks reason to discredit other and pump themselves up. They will point at others and then say, see we are not like them. There will be problems in every organization that men are involved with, probably even CT.

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Brian

February 22, 2007  7:34am

Chuck Smith is a false teacher. He teaches that you can lose your salvation. That is a false gospel that doesn't save. So there's no point in arguing over Calvary Chapel government. Chuck Smith teaches a false gospel, that's far worse than the church government, which is already bad enough.

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jake knotts

February 22, 2007  1:41am

A few thoughts coming from one who went to Calvary Bible School and served on the missions field with Calvary before feeling the need to disaffiliate. 1. Much of what I read in this article I had heard before from within Calvary. 2. The article obviously had a anti-Calvary agenda. 3. The main source of all of these problems in Calvary is a faulty church government model. 4. The authority issue is in the many of the Calvaries I have seen. 5. The responses I have read are very immature. 6. The Calvary folks need to recognize that many of the accusations are true and stop blindly defending CC. 7. The non-Calvary folks need to be grieved over this situation and not rejoice and vent their frustration. 8. As a missionary, I am asking myself, how can I guard myself from financial, sexual, and leadership errors so that I can honor Christ. 9. Why are there so few who are willing to write their names down? That is cheap. 10. I hope CT does a better job next time. It was in poor taste.

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Oceanside

February 22, 2007  1:21am

I first heard Pastor Chuck Smith preach in 1968...I still remember the the message. My life has been forever changed by of the work of Holy Spirit through the ministry of Calvary Chapel. God has used Pastor Chuck in countless ways to share the gospel of grace with multitudes of people. His faithful service to our Lord Jesus Christ is an inspiration and example to all who love the truth of God's word.

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northwest man

February 22, 2007  12:25am

i wish we were all perfect in how we handle sin, especially in leadership. sometimes, it seems easier to hope that one is truly repentant with a soft and open heart to the Lord, than to wait and listen to the direction the Lord leading. sometimes we might get ahead of the dealing with the sin. i am very aware of one the items mentioned in this article by ct. maybe mistakes were made, i truly believe the CC churches on the whole are a great tool the Lord uses to advance His kingdom. maybe this article will help CC to deal with more wisdom in these areas. also who is rick warren? and why has some of these blogs sounded like they are criticising him? i didn't see it mentioned.

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Allan

February 22, 2007  12:01am

I have posted on the PP blog for about a year. I detested the site when I arrived, thinking it was there only to trash CC. I spent my time seeking to be a voice that was pro CC and my time there was not fun. In June of 2006 the blog set aside a day of prayer which changed how I participated. Since then, I have seen huge changes take place on the blog. There is a ministry of prayer. There are Pastors there to minister to folks who are angry and maybe bitter. And just like all sites on the net there is controversey. The heart of that blog is for God to work throughout CC. You may disagree on how that takes place and how some post, but God is there. I see so many opinions on both sides of the Moll article. He has struck a nerve for sure. God has used CC to bring many I love into the Kingdom. I have attended CC for 31 years. I am sorry to see so much anger and emotion over the article and the blog. I expect much more when the LA Times articles is printed. Pray for CC and the PP blog. Agape

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HolyTriage

February 21, 2007  9:42pm

I am a 1992 Calvary Chapel Bible College graduate. Its scary the way Chuck's opinions on God's sovereignty versus man's responsibly or eschatology were taught as fact. Many times biblical prophesies were misapplied to current events. Often a subtle fear is mixed in certain pastors messages in a seeming manipulative way. One Sunday a pastor taught grace, the next Sunday condemnation. The mix of grace & condemnation is like spiritual schizophrenia. Some Calvary pastors are so hardcore people get saved more then once in their church. The pastoral leadership model is upside-down. Watching & attending Calvary for 24 years I have seen them judge other churches time & time again. The first church they wrongly accused was Set Free back in the 1990. Today many Calvary pastors pick on Rick Warren. Honestly, it was only a matter of time before the same judgment would fall upon the Calvary Chapel denomination. My prayer is that Calvary Chapel will feel what it feels like to be judged & repent.

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Rob M

February 21, 2007  8:42pm

Any Donkey can knock down a barn door but only a carpenter can build one. Critics are those who are disgruntled over what others have achieved that they could not. The Calvary Model IS flawed but the blessings far out weigh the faults...This article serves only to divide not unite. Is this what is to be expectewd from Christianity Today?

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FEAR OF MAN

February 21, 2007  5:28pm

"Michael Newnham, a former Calvary Chapel pastor, says his experience suggests the association has systemic problems. "There was adultery in the leadership. There were alcohol and drug problems in the leadership, and none of them were being dealt with. If you did say anything about them, you ended up being ostracized."...................................................................................................................................... These statements bring light as to the integrity of Mr. Newnham. He witnessed illegal drugs and didn't report them. He witnessed adultery and didn't say anything for FEAR of being ostracized.His FEAR of man kept him from doing what was right yet he faults others for the same things.

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Perry Robinson

February 21, 2007  3:54pm

It is about time. The sad part is that it wasn't Smith's denial of the physical resurrection or his false prophecies about the end of the world that got this attention. If people go to churches where the laity have no voice and pastors have no accountability, are you suprised when this happens? I am glad a Christian mag did this because if we don't, the pagans certainly will. Just think about it. Go to a church that is made because one man doesn't want to be under others, where people have no vote or voice, no rights at all, and you are shocked? Someone bears responsibility for putting these people up on a pedastal. Look in the mirror.

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P.S.

February 21, 2007  2:56pm

And Michael, Don't forget the sink.... Love, Romaine

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Spirit of Romaine says

February 21, 2007  2:51pm

Michael, I know you want to be GREAT in the Kingdom,but first grab a plunger and brush and do the toilets down on the first floor.....

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Sean Bigonia

February 21, 2007  2:10pm

Well I guess, to be honest. Which of us Men have always kept a pure heart concerning the opposite sex? Or always kept right motives, always. Bye the way you Judge you will be Judged. Yes CC has it's goods and Bads, you will never find a perfect church. If you do let me know where it is, because I will find it's problems for you. My own life has it's share of problems, sins I struggle with, hey D.L. Moody said it best my biggest struggle is with the man in the mirror. Why did Jesus come? oh to save sinners, didn't Paul the apostle say he was the chief of sinners? By that confession maybe we should write an article on how messed up Paul and the 12 apostle's were, but hey why do that when we can bash God at the foot, and the Body of Christ. e-mail me if you know of this perfect church his_arms@yahoo.com . Sean

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pbh

February 21, 2007  1:57pm

very interesting article, even though i must admit the comments are even MORE interesting. so many people throwing each other under the bus. but props to you, rob, for your research and hard work. ct was smart in choosing you!

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James Jones

February 21, 2007  1:56pm

I have a name! I am not ashamed. But isn't it interesting how the majority of endorsements of this Yellow Journalism won't publish their name? And the majority of published names are not endorsing this kind of slander. In am sorry, but I am not encouraged, edified, or uplifted by this kind of in-fighting. We all know the only way to have a church without problems is to remove the people. Christ came for the sick. The hypocrites had trouble with that then, and the hypocrites have trouble with that now. If you don't like sick people, stay out of the hospital. Praise God!

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Tom

February 21, 2007  1:53pm

Angry, hateful, gossipy speech. I don't mean the article in CT here. I mean most Calvary Chapels. If you want to be hated, attend CC for any length of time. You will find a lot of hate and anger there.

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No middle ground

February 21, 2007  1:51pm

Ok people lets cut the crap and get down to to it. The Devils mad,cause he's got just milliseconds left.So he is using people like Newnham who has appointed himself judge, jury and Holy Spirit to right the wrongs in Calvary Chapel,which is probably is one of the most effective feeding utensils in the Body. Just look at the stars zinging back and fourth. Not much middle ground. I hope when the gleaning comes in the Calvary movement that most Pastors will continue their work without being distracted by the sympathy seekers ......... The LORD will put us all in our places when he returns. That certain.

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Righteous Anger?

February 21, 2007  1:27pm

Oh please stop accusing those of us who are against Mr. Newnham and the PP blog, or this article of being unChristlike. The PP has been the biggest source of misinformation out there. CT too. The fact that some CC pastors are now waking up and pulling out means some of our prayers are being answered. If more leave, all the better. Befriending PP doesn't mean you or your church will be safe if you or someone on your staff commits a sin (and last time I checked, we are all capable of that.) It does mean you risk the ruin of your character--assasination by blog. Wow, so this week Mr. N. said the blog has always been a friend to the CC movement. Huh? And now they have a message thread posted where people can praise their CC experiences. That made many over there mad. Why? Because they have hurts which they will not deal with or let go of. I think if you pray with discernment, you're going to see the real picture here. And the CC churches in general will not be the problem.

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Propaganda

February 21, 2007  1:18pm

Brian CC Pastor Posted: February 21, 2007 12:39 PM There are thousands of us that are doing our ministries as unto the Lord..............within CC. If you are one of these..........don't be discouraged by this article.............But as leaders within CC, we must unite regionally and nationally to address any stumblings openly. Be men, fear the Lord and He will see us through this....do what is wise and what is Godly...being above reproach in all things...........and as it is said.....where God guides...He will providefor CC. If you are a pastor and the money is decreasing because you are control freak....consider your ways........cry out for accountability. Interestingly, most of the movement's churches, if not all, run independently, without assitance financially from another church. All seperate works of God. May God protect us from those that have other agendas rooted in this world........... Words straight from the heart of Michael Newnham and his CC pASTOR Sympathizers

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Brian CC Pastor

February 21, 2007  12:39pm

There are thousands of us that are doing our ministries as unto the Lord..............within CC. If you are one of these..........don't be discouraged by this article.............But as leaders within CC, we must unite regionally and nationally to address any stumblings openly. Be men, fear the Lord and He will see us through this....do what is wise and what is Godly...being above reproach in all things...........and as it is said.....where God guides...He will providefor CC. If you are a pastor and the money is decreasing because you are control freak....consider your ways........cry out for accountability. Interestingly, most of the movement's churches, if not all, run independently, without assitance financially from another church. All seperate works of God. May God protect us from those that have other agendas rooted in this world............may CC leadership let go and release anything that is dragging what God has provided down. Cut off what is dead or rooted on earth.

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Rob Knuth

February 21, 2007  12:38pm

The thrust of the article's coverage,seems to me to be how we as Christ's adherents either do or do not exercise caution in our Church governances. There is a case to be made for attentive oversight by fellow Believers in our church affairs. We all need to be alert as to the whiles of the enemy of our souls.Reading an article such as this one,always leaves me with mixed emotions as to failings or the perceived failings of Church leaders.Rob Moll did a fair,inciteful piece - considering the subject matter he was covering.

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geoff

February 21, 2007  11:49am

Wow... if all the angry, biased responses listed here are any indication of what CC churches are like, I'm glad I don't attend one... Sure, the article wasn't perfect (and yes, people aren't either and we must forgive and show love), but my goodness, the hypocrisy flowing from some of these comments is amazing... "take Christianity out of the name of your magazine"?? Yeah that really helps.

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ashamed

February 21, 2007  11:34am

As I read through these posts I see, above the criticism of the article, I see one very disturbing, shameful trend: The very shameful, very un-Christlike things said of Rob Moll, Christianity Today, and this Michael and his Phoenix Preacher blog, and even Rick Warren and the emerging church . I've never heard anyone in any church I've attended say things as ugly as what I have seen here. Horrible, mean-spirited, personal, hate-filled drivel, and all of you who say these things seem to be unapolgetic about it and think God is on your side. Anyone with a conscience who reads through these posts can tell which ones seem to have the very attitude of the devil himself, in their tone and words Remember, your posts represent the Calvary Chapel movement you say you love. People are watching YOU, too. Your posts are giving it and the Lord you claim to serve a horrible name. Do you really want to be Christ-like in your criticism? Or will you continue to deny Him with your bad attitudes?

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Gene

February 21, 2007  10:17am

The article notes, "We're a fast-moving movement," says Mark Foreman, pastor of North Coast Calvary Chapel in Carlsbad, California. "There is little decision-making red tape.".... What made Calvary Chapel dynamic was its ability to reach the unchurched in culturally relevant ways. It's still Calvary Chapel's strength, he says. Here's an example of the "fast-moving movement," The Atascadero, California Calvary Chapel proposed "Christian Apologetics" classes at their church for high school students during school hours. The Atascadero Calvary Chapel church apparently misrepresented California Education Code to the school Board, who were apparently told by Calvary Chapel Atascadero that they were "required" to approve the proposal. Actually, the California Education Code makes such proposals voluntary.

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Spiritual Babies

February 21, 2007  10:06am

WOW, Imagine that. God uses flawed people to do his work. You people at PhoenixPreacher really just need to grow up.In some of cases the need is to get saved.

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Whine Whine Whine

February 21, 2007  9:52am

Left by BrianD on February 19th, 2007 at 9:59 am Please, everyone, the point of this thread is NOT to marginalize those who have been hurt and are hurting. It is NOT to shut out the hurting, and to give a “safe” place for rah-rah-rah CC apologists to glorify Chuck and Skip and Kestler and spit on the abused and take shots at Michael. It is not a place for a CC pastor, megachurch or otherwise, to hold court and tell us how evil and bitter we are for striving to do the godly thing. Those guys would be better off ranting on their own blog anyway…because they won’t rant on THIS thread. It’s a place for people who are in the prison ministries, the kids ministry, youth ministry, street evangelism, missions work, whereever to glorify God and tell us what He is doing in their midst…in Calvary Chapels. It’s also a place to shine the spotlight on the people in the pews and folding chairs and what God is doing in THEIR midst. That’s all this thread is. And I am unapologetic about that.

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elliot in ca

February 21, 2007  1:52am

Everything written in this article can be said about any church across America. We are corrupt men and fall to the temptation of sin everyday, so yes stuff happens in church that is not good. Not to say that sinning is ok because it's not, but that's why we need a savior even more. That's why God took away the law and gave us Jesus. All we can do is try to minister the best we can and hope that non believers will get a glimps of Christ by the holy spirit shinning through us. To me this was a bash at CC that had very vague statements from ex-members that needed to get revenge. When I step into a CC, I hear the word being preached, I feel the spirit at work and see lives changed right before my very eyes. To me it seems a bit more biblical than a 12 step life application sermon on how to be better friends with your neighbor(you get the point). On top of that there are people committing adultery, drugs, and alcohol at those churches as well. Bash, bash. No stars for this rating

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Shawn M

February 21, 2007  12:55am

A full year working on this? This biased piece of literary drivel? And what is the driving point? That out of a minimum of 1300 church affiliates world-wide there have been a few cases of financial mismangement and/or sexual immorality among Calvary Chapel pastors and that Chuck Smith - who is a Christian, by the way - has decided to forgive them? You should be ashamed, Christianity Today. For instead of seeking to restore, as Smith has done, you have sought to divide. Instead of forgiveness, you have passed judgment. In place of peace, you have promoted bitterness. Shame on you and whoever had the notion that such writing could ever pass for sound Christian journalism.

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Ashley Taylor

February 21, 2007  12:19am

My question to Mr. Moll is, "what was the point of this article?" What was your motive behind it? Did you have the heart of Christ as you interviewed Chuck, and others? Was your desire to glorify and honor the name of our Lord Jesus as you pieced this article together? Or, was it to feed your flesh, and on top of that, flaunt your sensationalist writing, and poor investigative reporting skills? This article does nothing but tear down your own brothers and sisters in Christ, and you have become the very same immoral man you claim is causing the apparent demise of CC. Do you truly desire Christ? Then do as He says. Fulfill the whole law, and LOVE.

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Mike

February 21, 2007  12:00am

I find the article interesting and sad, however it is very onesided with statements made by no named pastors and half truth's. I know that I was raised Catholic and knew about Jesus but was never told or explained too about the personal realationship I could have with the Creator of the universe. I was 46 when I got saved and it was by the verse by verse teaching of Calvary Chapel and the grace of God that He opened my heart to Jesus and the eternal life I have after leaving this earth. I would guess to say that if you did and indept study of most churches in this country you will find problems and injustices have occured and will occur until Jesus comes again. Why? Because we are all sinners and the Word of God states that through the entire Bible. Have you had found any misdeeds in you organization? Have you put them all out for the public to review? Chuck Smith teaches grace and he lives what he teaches. Praise God

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d

February 20, 2007  10:07pm

It is a shame that people are afraid to deal with the problems in this denomination. I say denomination because that is what it is. They have a leadership and it is bad. There is nothing wrong with the model of government given in the new testament of elder rule, where the pastor is an extension of the elders. They would do much better if the pastors stuck to what they hopefully know Scripture. Although after this article I do not know if they do know it very well.

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Steve G

February 20, 2007  9:36pm

Nice Gossip Column! Let's dig up some dirt on the Presbyterians next! If you want to disagree with CC's theology or government style, then fine. Good Christians have disagreed on that for a long, long time. I disagree with some of what is taught & the leadership style is not what I would choose, but most all of them love Jesus- they are Bible-believing. They are sincere in wanting to follow Christ. (not a cult, either) Mr. Moll's article seems to have un-Christian overtones, in the sense that this article gossips in an unloving way. God says that he hates those who sew discord among the bretheren. In any large organization, I'm sure there is sin that has to be delt with. Of course there will be issues- but they should be delt with by the related parties, not by some outside person. Actually, if you think about it, if this is the worst you can dig up, they are probably not doing all that bad. Look at other denominations & what the secular media gossips about.

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Anonymous

February 20, 2007  8:03pm

I could give a first-hand account of sexual misconduct by a Calvary Chapel Pastor who has not been held accountable, not been expected to pay restitution for the money he took, and not had to go through a restoration process before being placed back in ministry. I can give second-hand accounts (shared with me by a Calvary Pastor) of several other similar situations. If he would have been from another denomination, action would have been taken. I even sent Costa Mesa and his present church's pastor copies of many incriminating pieces of information, but nothing has been done. They too will answer to God for turning a blind eye.

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Ben Ortize

February 20, 2007  7:27pm

In any interplay of confrontation, the FIRST test is not the veracity of the information, it's the veracity of the person. For one who professes a title of "Christianity Today," little has taken place to demonstrate it in this article. Even if gossip was permitted in Scripture, the words "one pastor said" and "allegedly" are used far too often to credit the remarks. It's troubling, to say the least, if this is what "Christianity Today" in fact is.

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Just An Observation

February 20, 2007  7:04pm

First I would like to say a big thumbs up for Rob exposing this story. The Phoenix Preacher has skipped around the issue for months but always stops short of telling the complete truth concerning Chuck Smith. I am not sure the why behind this. Maybe it is because of all of his CC pastor buddies and he is trying to spare them. Mr. Newnham also advertises he is seeking the restoration of integrity in ministry. If this is so I suggest he hang around late at night to check out all the late night shameless flirting that goes on and private emails being exchanged.

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CC Pastors make up your mind

February 20, 2007  6:35pm

And there’s a group of CC pastors who in an apparent attempt to be hep-cat-yo-dog-g-money über-cool, take an incomprehensible delight in bashing most things Calvary so as to make nice with that particular corner of the blogosphere - “Yeah, CC’s really are bad, but not mine! I’ve even changed our name! Please like me… please, please like me Michael......”

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Ed

February 20, 2007  6:33pm

Well as the saying goes, "If you find a perfect church don't go to it because then it will not be a perfect church anymore." Your article resembles that of a gossip column.

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Calvary Chapel Bible College Student

February 20, 2007  6:24pm

Okay, how can you criticise Calvary Chapel? IT IS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH! You're touching God's anointed, and only those with the dove on their shirt are anointed. Remember, if Chuck says it, then it's more reliable than the Bible. The only reason we carry our Bibles in is to correct them according to the word of the mighty Chuck Smith. I thank the Lord that finally His true revelation is here, and it is in the mouth of Chuck. What a friend we have in Chuck Smith, all our sin and griefs to deny, What a privilege to carry, everything to Chuck and lie.

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Joshua Horsey

February 20, 2007  5:46pm

True accountability comes with the Truth. All churches have problems, if you find a perfect church, don't join it, because you are not perfect and you'll mess it up. God has used and is continuing to use the ministries of Calvary Chapel all over the world to spread the good news of our Savior Jesus the Christ. Man is going to sin, power is addictive, but the Holy Spirit that should be ruling and reigning in the hearts of these pastors is more powerful than that. Let those who are unhappy with the CC movement come forward, talk about it, and if necessary, leave. It has always been a principle that Calvary people vote with their feet and their seats. To think that Pastor Chuck wouldn't hear a righteous claim of wrongdoing and ignore it all together is unbelievable. Pastors, whether they have the realization or not, will be accountable for every single thing they did under the banner of doing it in the name of the Lord. Pray for Calvary, Chuck, and for all pastors everywhere.

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Joseph Bofill

February 20, 2007  5:05pm

Wow just Wow. Unfortunately by posting this article many young believers will be led astray just as scripture predicted. Has it come to this A so called "Christian" magazine will post something so scathing against the brethren. Maybe some of the so called theologists or "experts" should go back and study their scriptures and find out who is the true accuser of the brethren. Maybe start with Ephesians 6:12

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Daniel Parker

February 20, 2007  4:57pm

Three thoughts: 1. Calvary Chapel has been used by God to reach and disciple millions of people all over the world. It continues to be a breath of fresh air to the church at large (for the most part). 2. Calvary Chapel has some weaknesses that need to be addressed as they move foward in the work of God. Accountability, relationship of sin and grace, world missions, use of finances and finding fresh vision are among the items needing to be addressed. 3. Correction of brethren should be done with a spirit of humility while remembering that their is one body. We should be weeping and praying over these areas (as I have for years), confronting them biblically and humbly and not using such broad strokes. In this way our words are more likely to find a more willing audience.

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Mike

February 20, 2007  4:18pm

Very informative. I had been curious about the history of Calvary Chapels and benefited from the retrospective. It saddens me to hear of dissention or problems in any part of the Body of Christ, but the article serves as a good warning about accountability. It also would make for a good discussion-starter on the pros and cons of various kinds of church polity.

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Pastor Chuck Perry

February 20, 2007  3:35pm

So CT is a scandel ragg now? you should take the word 'christianity' off your magazine and just call it 'today'. I'd rather read Calvary Chapel Magazine and find out what's happening in the world. I'm a pastor that's being used by GOD in restoring broken lives, and one thing I can tell you is that there is a lot of restoring to be done, and if you have a suggestion on how you think it should be done keep it out of your magazine and start ministering to the people that need it instead of pointing fingers. Pastor Chuck Perry U-Turn For Christ of Oklahoma

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P Moffatt

February 20, 2007  3:22pm

I agree with Michelle and love the verse by verse teaching. I do not go to a Calvary Chapel church and never have but have been very blessed by Chuck Smith's teaching over the last couple of years. All I can add is why don't we as Christians pray for them and that we would continue to love them through this trial. I know that correction is needed at times, but the world needs to see that we have love for one another above all else. What better way to show love then but by praying for them.

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wayne

February 20, 2007  3:16pm

any church body that that establishes a structure with an unaccountable pastor at the top is on precarious footing..a hand-picked board & asst. pastor do not provide the balance necessary to do the real business of the church in a manner honoring God...scripture DOES tells us how to do it......Pastors,Elders,Deacons, and untitled servants-motivated,energized,and CONTROLLED by the Holy Spirit !...All church matters addressed by those titled.Chuck Smiths position of "Fire them before they fire you" requires absolute,total trust by the congregation,Carte Blanche given, and follow his lead. Too much leeway,freedom from correction,and power for any one man. The temptation put in the pastors path is almost irresistible

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Derek

February 20, 2007  2:56pm

I too graduated from Calvary Chapel Bible College, and was involved in the "movement" for many years. Three things define the College and the movement in general: (1) Hermeneutical illiteracy; (2) Theological and historical ignorance; (3) Abuse of power.

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Intelligent

February 20, 2007  2:44pm

I agree with Calvary Chapel pastor "denny barger" who wrote below. Calvary Chapel has grown a lot and very fast. It must be of God! Of course, it is not as "of God" as the Mormons and Islam, who grow much faster, but that is another story. They don't have Chuck, so anyone can see that Calvary Chapel is the work of God, and whoever opposes anything about it is opposing the Lord. I'll pray for you people who oppose the true and genuine work of God!! Calvary pastors are only accountable to God, not to anybody else!! Got it?

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Shocked

February 20, 2007  2:36pm

In the Calvary Distinctives, Chuck clearly spells out what it means to be in an anti-biblical, abusive ecclesial system. He says to his pastors, "the board disagrees with you? FIRE THE BOARD!" I can almost hear the apostle Paul (who appointed elders - plural - in every city, commanded Titus to do so and spelled out their work as pastors in Titus 1 and 1 Tim 3) as well as the Council of Jerusalem excommunicating the sectarian and abusive heretic.

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Calvary Chapelite

February 20, 2007  2:30pm

It's not true to say that CC pastors are ignorant of history. They all know that the Church died with the apostle John and reappeared only in Costa Mesa in the 70s. I've heard that groups like the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses claim similar things about themselves, but hey, they must be wrong, for, after all, they are not CALVARY CHAPEL!!

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CT Where are you going?

February 20, 2007  2:29pm

A little bit to much (he said, she said) Who's next? Please don't come to my church! This was a little to personaly driven. This guy has been on CC for a long time. I much rather read about what Korean's are doing around the world for Christ or about what this or that guy is doing for the Lord And right or wrong we all love chucky! So lay off!

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denny barger

February 20, 2007  2:28pm

I am a "3rd generation" Calvary pastor. In my opinion the CC movement was one of the greatest moves of the Holy Spirit in the last century. Chuck taught us how to teach the Bible without manipulating people, to be honest, to serve for God's pleasure rather than to please man or get rich. He taught us to be caring, strong shepherds rather than weak hirlings. A rough estimate of the number of people blessed by CC's around the world would be at least 1 million. Given that only 600 million people live on the planet I'd say God worked thru Chuck in a way most men like Mr Moll could only dream. Are there 600 men who have been used as much as Chuck? Where is the fruit of Rob Molls ministry? Most likley laying on the ground, rotting, while Chuck's fruit continues to grow & produce sweet fruit. The funniest thing about my response is that Chuck would not like it. He would tell me to be gracious to Mr. Moll, to love him & pray for him, and that I will.

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Marc

February 20, 2007  2:21pm

I am a Calvary Chapel Bible College grad (class of 97). While I was there, I received no theological education whatsoever. The Bible preaching I received, both there and at CC churches. was some of the worst kind of me-and-my-Bible, theology-on-the-fly, I-have-no-idea-of-what-I'm-talking-about-but-Chuck-said-so. But I did learn some things at the Bible College: how not to read newspapers, watch tv, disregard anyone who disagrees with Chuck, and, especially, how power struggles rule Calvary Chapel. Ask Don Stewart and Justin Alfred who were fired because they wanted to teach their students something useful.

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Dismayed

February 20, 2007  2:13pm

And I thought the major problem with Calvary Chapel was the theological illiteracy and historical ignorance of their pastors and their parishioners. Goodness gracious...

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Not Centered

February 20, 2007  1:40pm

If you want to look at the fruit of the Phoenix Preacher begin with the root. Before it gained any traction, the PP mocked Pancho Juarez CC Pastor for being Mexican, Brian McLaren as a homosexual, Chuck Smith as a money lover, James Dobson as a deviant, and on and on. Mr. Moll, you premised your whole story from that blog. Nice credentials.

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Jordan

February 20, 2007  1:22pm

Christianity Today, I would say that this is done with poor taste. It would seem that this is just Christian gossip and this in no way edifies the body. I'm a little disappointed about the light that the article is done in. Take out the speck.

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Locked Out

February 20, 2007  1:12pm

I am someone who has a lot of love for Michael Newnham, imperfect as he is. He or his blog are not responsible for this article. These events and the subsequent "handling" of them have been know for a long time; this is simply the moment where they are brought out into the light. Chuck Smith is not the fourth person in the Trinity. He's a man who has blown it and one, like the rest of us, who can get right with it. There is so much fear out here. So much of that is masquerading as anger. Of course people are going to dispute this: it goes up against their comfort (and often prideful) zones. But folks deserve to be heard, good, bad and indifferent. Someone out there is listening. And Michael: remove the silly locks you have on a lot of your posters on the Phoenix Preacher. We have helped you and supported you. And now... you seem to prefer your "new" friends over the old guard. You have nothing to fear from us either.

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Anonymous

February 20, 2007  1:07pm

CC is a cult

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Rick Ponzo

February 20, 2007  12:49pm

Worse than the article itself are the comments I have read from so-called ex-calvary pastors and others. How credible are their comments? The anonymity of the internet allows for people to masquerade as whoever they want to be and blatantly slander others. The comments I have read would make me question the heart of the person writing them. David was a man after God’s own heart – but I’m sure Rob Moll and Christianity Today would have disqualified him because of his sin. Was it the intention of Mr. Moll to reveal issues within the church because people were being led astray, or was the intent to discredit a work that the Holy Spirit is doing through imperfect humans? I am not questioning Mr. Moll's salvation, that is between he and God, but I am inspecting the rotten fruit.

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Toby

February 20, 2007  12:24pm

I can agree with this article in one respect; I have always thought Calvary Chapel's structure left senior pastors with little accountability... Moses models Old Testament leadership values, and Paul laid out New Testament leadership patterns very clearly in in 1 Timothy. This article, however, is gossipy, unsubstantiated, one-sided... terrible! CT, what were you thinking? Reporting on problems such as this should be done reluctantly, professionally... and far more gracefully. This is more like a People Magazine article with all the gossip and slander. And you couldn't just leave it at one article either. I agree with the above post by Grif, "After reading this article, CT has lost my respect as a credible magazine."

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Life of Truth

February 20, 2007  11:19am

As a former person on staff at a Calvary Chapel, I saw this article as one in which it brought sadness to my heart, but also as one in which the "sins" of men are being exposed. The problem with any movement in general, is when we begin to place the movement or the people on the movement, on a pedestal. The arrogance sometimes found within this movement (personal experience of being involved with many CC's) has only contributed to these problems. This is not to say that other movements have not fallen into the same problems. But when a movement or a person in the church begins to place themselves as being better than others because of the philosophy of ministry they hold to, no doubt will that movement begin to see these types of problems occurring. This is also not to say that every church in the movement is experiencing these issues. In fact, there are many within the movement who are doing a great job. The point, keep the focus on God and not man. LOfT

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CF

February 20, 2007  10:22am

I'm disappointed in CT. It's bad enough that we have the world attacking Christians. The last thing we need is Christians attacking other Christians. Should issues be dealt with, yes, but certainly not in this manner.

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Anonymous

February 20, 2007  9:42am

David Munson below has the best comment I see on this entire board. Chuck Smith's misusage of the "touch not the Lord's anointed" phrase shows just how bad a teacher Chuck Smith is. We're all anointed, so maybe Chuck Smith should fear speaking against Rob Moll. And then Rob Moll can say to Chuck, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes! But I'll take it a step further. Chuck Smith is a false teacher and a false prophet. Smith even teaches that you can lose your salvation! The guy is a nut.

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David Munson

February 20, 2007  8:54am

Matthew 20:25-28 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. We are not to run the church like the governments of this world. When we do we end up with unaccountable preachers who misapply the Touch not mine anointed passage. They are not kings or prophets or priests. All members of the body are anointed so who is to not touch (question) who? Touch not applies to physical harm,not questioning a pastor's message. Paul affirms this in his commendation to the bereans. Mr.Chuck Smith is in error concerning "touch not".

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Saint Mom

February 20, 2007  2:48am

Great reporting! Interesting, but sad situation. You do have readers that are not from Calvary Chapel.

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Saint Francis

February 19, 2007  11:12pm

Some on this comment blog have called Calvary Chapel a Cult. Anyone that knows anything about Calvary knows this is hogwash. CT would never do a story on the most highly successful brain washing method" 40 Days of Purpose"

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Amen, Speaking the Truth!

February 19, 2007  10:39pm

Speaking the Truth Did get it right! First of all, if CT is going to link up with the PP blog, go ahead and sell the magazine in the grocery store next to the National Enquirer. When an unbeliever looks at that blog, as they did in my family, and tells you you are hurting God and wasting time by being there, well you had better listen. And yes, I think the CC pastors need to leave the place high and dry. Anyone with real discernment, real Biblical discernment can indeed see what goes on there. How Mr. Newnham can work a full time job, pastor his own church and run the blog all day long is beyond many of us. And attacking CC pastors who author and sell books while selling PP T-shirts is pretty hypocritical don't ya think? It's all about ego. Many of us are praying for the PP blog and most likely now for this magazine as well. I encourage those of you who are really discerning to seek the Holy Spirit out, and see what God tells you to read or where He tells you to go to church.

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Phil Barry

February 19, 2007  9:55pm

Looks like ROB MOLL is willing to stoop to low levels to boost his ratings!!! *shaking my head* Some pastors need help with there sin, some pastors need to step down, some pastors need to be removed. But I find it amazing that you brand the entire movement based on these isolated incidents. ROB MOLL, you need a Day of Reckoning, in fact you should write an apology.

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Rebecca

February 19, 2007  9:05pm

I was saved at a Calvary Chapel in Tucson. I was introduced to a whole new Jesus. Calvary Chapels aren't around in this area of WI, so I haven't kept up with the going-ons. There must be something really good for the devil to be attacking so severly.

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MJ

February 19, 2007  8:50pm

Congratulations on a well done and truthful expose of the corruption of Calvary Chapel. If Chuck was not an active participant, he at least hid the sin and corruption. Its interesting to see how many Kool Aid drinkers are ignoring the truth and still think that CCCM is as pure as snow. HA! I hope the IRS and other agencies investigate the financial dealings involving millions of dollars of diverted gifts and self serving individuals.

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Denny

February 19, 2007  7:45pm

Is this what we're supposed to be doing as the Body of Christ. What happened to building up the Body and encouraging the brothers and sisters, this article seems to be a small group of disgruntled people. There are several hundreds of Calvary Chapels around the world that have accountability systems set up for their pastors. We could take any denomination or christian movement and find fault. Jesus would say, "He who is without sin cast the first stone" Remember for where you came and repent. You lost me as a reader, what worth is this

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Calvary Chapel Survivor

February 19, 2007  7:11pm

A brief sampling of recent comments: “And to say Pastor Chuck is anything but 'beyond reproach' is heresy.” “The reason why people don't like Calvary Chapel is because they teach the truth and just about every American doesn't want to hear the truth.” “I would hope it would make any Christian sorrowful to hear gossip like this against any spiritual leader that is being used by God. Or even a church that God has placed His hand on.” “I agree with Chuck when he said "I'd hate to be in your shoes." Satan is great at dividing the saints, gossip and slander, and is the accuser of the bretheran. I will pray for you.” “Thank you CT for helping to fulfill endtimes bible prophecy, you have served your father the devil well.” “You should have taken Chuck Smith's advice of not touching the annointed of God. God is a just, so may the almighty judge and may all those who plot evil against God's ministry be judged.” If this is not a CULT-LIKE MINDSET, then I don’t know what is.

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cathy

February 19, 2007  6:58pm

Having experienced the early days of the Jesus Movement in southern california, I can objectively observe the spectre and influence of the Calvary Chapel movement ... and it has been "glorious" to see what God has done. Unfortunately, at ground level, every church congregation under the sun knows some form of conflict and failure within its walls... The CC movement has merely managed to remain out of the tabloids for a very long time, and considering its unorthodox roots, that is in itself miraculous. those original, long haired hippies that God so graciously extended Himself to, are now grandparents! God set out to redeem a generation of lost young people; some church folk, like chuck and kay smith, said "yes" to God. that's all. "His eyes are moving to and fro over the earth, searching for those to whom He can show himself strong." God is looking for those who will say "yes" for this generation. don't become addicted to the bitterness of church scandal and controversy.

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Tony

February 19, 2007  6:47pm

It's a real shame that some would sink to church bashing. It's more of a shame that CT would publish an article based on 'innuendo' from Mr. Moll. Mr. Moll like most tabloid 'reporters', give half-truths and mis-quotes to make their story seem true. Are there problems with CC pastors? I suppose there are, after all, they're just men, and men, like the world has problems. But nobody can say that the work God has done in this ministry has been short of miraculous! And to say Pastor Chuck is anything but 'beyond reproach' is heresy. He like Billy Graham have never needed to explain themselves, as God knows their hearts. Leave pastor Chuck alone! Instead of tearing down and trying to divide what the Lord has done, do something useful; get on your knees and pray. Open your Bibles and read, use your mouth and fingers for only EDIFYING!

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michelle drysol

February 19, 2007  6:33pm

The reason why people don't like Calvary Chapel is because they teach the truth and just about every American doesn't want to hear the truth. Church is not suppose to be easy, or feel good, its about God changing your life in dramatic ways how are we suppose to know what the bible talks about if no one is teaching it. some may argue and say they do teach the bible well I disagree let me know when you have gone cover to cover and verse by verse through the bible then you have taught the bible. I want to be challenged by God and the only way to get that is through teaching every part of the bible not picking and choosing. most churches that teach topical studies take the scripture out of context not know the real meaning or history behind the text. Calvary is really good about teaching history of the scripture. I love being challenged and changed because I know that God is doing it and if the world doesn't like then that is to bad because they are missing out on what God has 4them

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speaking the truth got it right

February 19, 2007  6:31pm

As a frequent lurker and ocasional poster on PP, I have to say speaking the truth did just that. Michael Newnham and his cohorts like BrianD are complete selfstyled whiners. If Newnham witnessed illegal acts why didn't he report them. Not enough integrity thats why.If he saw serious moral sin he should have confronted it and if it was not scripturally dealt with he should have voted with his feet and let the Lord deal with those responsible. And SHAME on you Calvary Pastors who have posted on PP trying to make nicey nice with a man like Newnham instead of rebuking him up front you played along... Now some of you want to run for cover now that the gloves are off....... SHAME

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speaking truth

February 19, 2007  5:56pm

This artilce lacks sincere truth and is biased as are the opinions found on Phoenix Preacher blog site. Bitterness and anger abound in both places, this article and on that horrible blog! Michael is worse than any Calvary Chapel and is just a wanna be preacher who is jealous that he can't or doesn't have a large church. He is always looking for sympathy on his blog site and is just one of the most whiney people ever!

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DJ in the NW

February 19, 2007  4:13pm

Acts 5:33-39 But when they heard this, they were cut to the quick and were intending to slay them. But a certain Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in the Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time. And he said to them, "Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men. For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody; and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. And he was slain; and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After this man Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census, and drew away some people after him, he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered. And so in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action should be of men, it will be overthrown; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God."

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Michael Brown

February 19, 2007  3:38pm

Well done, CT. I commend you for reporting on the great damage that has been done to Christ's sheep by a sloppy and unbiblical form of church government. Indeed, many people have come to faith and developed a love for the Scriptures within the CC movement, but that does not excuse its cavalier ecclessiology. When will Baby-Boomer movements like CC sober up and listen to what the Reformation taught us? It is interesting that the Reformers dealt with this same sort of thing witht he Anabaptists, hence their (and for many of us today, "our") confession that there are 3 marks of a true church: 1) the pure preaching of the gospel; 2) the pure administration of the sacraments as Christ instituted them; and 3) THE EXERCISE OF CHURCH DISCIPLINE FOR CORRECTING AND PUNISHING SINS (see Belgic Confession, Article 29, published in 1561). It doesn't matter how much you might love "Pastor Chuck," the bottom line is that Christ has established his church so that we have discipleship and accountabilty.

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Brandon

February 19, 2007  3:16pm

I would agree that we need to have "wise cousel" but the verese in proverbs says that there is safety in the mulltitude of counsel, it doesnt say that there is direction. Direction comes from God and your relationship with him. Now does God use people you better believe it but at the end of the day I take all the counsel given and take to the Lord and ask Him to speak to me what he would have me do. I dont doubt that there is sin in Costa Mesa and would say that when there is 20,000 people together as a church body that there will be sin and failure. No matter what happens to calvary chapel the fact is that its not about the name but about God. Yout watch if Calvary Chapel it not doing the will of God, He will take them down from the position he gave them. WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. Lets examine our selves before we look at others. It seems that even if this is true that CT is trying to stir up strife and gossip. Tell me how thisarticle edifies the body of Christ.

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Day of Reckoning

February 19, 2007  2:00pm

Day of Reckoning is appropirate title. There will be a day when the hearts of men will be judged. Rom 2:16 Chuck and the others pastors aren't flawless, they readily admit to that. But WOE be to those men that defame the Church thinking they do God service. I hope Michael and the others would repent of their deeds least they receieve the reward of the Amalekite .

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Tony Paskitti

February 19, 2007  2:00pm

If it weren't for Calvary Chapel's style of teaching, I would probably be dead by now. Not saying that Jesus could not do His work through other means, just saying that if it was not for God speaking through my pastor weekly/daily, I would not be the man I am today. I give Chuck Smith a lot of credit and I personally admire him for his devotion to Christ. The problem here is man's own wicked heart, not the leadership/leadership style of Calvary Chapel. I and my family can attest by our very own lives transformed by God's Word through Calvary's style for more than 15 years.

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TruthTeller

February 19, 2007  1:55pm

Calvary Chapel make merchandise of the people that go there. One pastor in the Middle East (from California, where else?) now lives in Europe on the back of church funds where he claims to be a "safehouse" for the Jews. There is no persecution of the Jews in Europe, and why would there be any more persecution there than anywhere else in the world? If you want to build a safehouse against persecution of the Jews, do it in the USA. There's more Jews in the USA than in Israel and Europe combined. But it's a convenient excuse to live in the ritz of Europe on church tithes. Theives and robbers are the heads of Calvary chapels.

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Chris

February 19, 2007  1:29pm

Perhaps a New Wineskin is necessary in more than one denomination, or slice of God's Church, in America these days? Strong in accountability, support for and standards of piety for their leaders, yet agile, missional, evangelical and passionate about the Great Commission we have on our hearts... I do hope so.

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Grif Blackstone

February 19, 2007  12:49pm

Good journalism is credible because it has verifiable sources. There are too many “former pastors,” “others,” and “some" quoted in this article to be classified as good journalism. After reading this article, CT has lost my respect as a credible magazine. To report such a one-sided, unsubstantiated article is wrong and serves only to start gossip. Piecing together anonymous information from “others” does not make a good article or instill trust with readers. CT should worry about their “uncertain future” if this style of reporting continues.

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Sorrow

February 19, 2007  12:43pm

So is CT like a christian tabliod or somthing. Being a young one in the Lord, it makes me sorrowful to hear attacts like this toward born again believers. I would hope it would make any Christian sorrowful to hear gossip like this against any spiritual leader that is being used by God. Or even a church that God has placed His hand on. I think we all just need to check ourselves, get our eyes on Jesus, walk with Him, and do what we are called to do. Spread the good news. One common thing you will find in every church is sin. We are all a bunch of rotton sinners. That is not a green light to keep sinning though, but rather to fall to are knees and repentance. What was the drive for this artical? I agree with Chuck when he said "I'd hate to be in your shoes." Satan is great at dividing the saints, gossip and slander, and is the accuser of the bretheran. I will pray for you. In the mean time, mabey there should be a time of repentace for CT.

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Pinocchio

February 19, 2007  11:52am

Hey ct! I heard you guys were hiring...

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Noel Doebke

February 19, 2007  10:52am

If I went to mr Molls church & ran around looking for EX members & disgrunteled EX employies I suppose I could find many who could cook up quite an ugly looking story... fit for the inquierer. This is Lazy journalisim...your sources include "Calvary insiders & pastors who have not enough guts to put a name to their voice...the so called veteren pastor of 20 years likes to rip his boss from the shadows but wont put a name to the artical...Very Cheep! If the story is true its sad & must be delt with but with people who will show some guts & stand in the light for what is right. Not in the anonymous place of the gossip.

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Young Convert- super article!

February 19, 2007  10:46am

Catholic turned Protestant as a teen. I found Calvary Chapel soon after. There were many good experiences centered around Christ but as time went on many issues described in the article were a reality in my life at CC. Young people are very impressionable and CC is a great place to make a mark. The "Moses" model was definitely in place, however, other scriptures were never employed. I spent about 18 years of my life serving in CC before waking up and having enough courage to leave and be free from the very prevalent "power hungry" and "abusive" perspectives. There are definitely cult like tendencies, thank God for Christianity Today exposing some of the issues, maybe other young lives will be "saved" from years of such control. There is no accountability and "young entrepenuers can make a way for themselves very easily, often on the backs of their congregants. One positive, some of my best friends have come from CC, most have left too.

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gossipmuch?

February 19, 2007  9:59am

The title of the magazine "Christianity Today" is sure fitting. It is certainly not the christianity of the bible. Thank you CT for helping to fulfill endtimes bible prophecy, you have served your father the devil well. Thanks for causing dissentions, thanks for dishing out all the juicy gossip. Whenever I have itching ears I know where to turn. Thanks CT for the "debates envyings wraths strifes backbitings whisperings swellings and tumults." You sure have served the body of Christ well in spreading the knowledge and truth of the gossip (I mean gospel). Why should any christian obey the bible when it says "shun profane and vain babblings" when we can pick up our copy of CT and read the latest details of Pastor So and So and his exciting private life!!! I just can't get enough I want more more more! You creep into houses and lead silly women captive with diverse lusts just like the apostle Paul said you would. You really are Christianiy Today.

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Brian

February 19, 2007  9:44am

Left Calvary Chapel in 2005. Pastor was always running people into the ground and many left in tears. Heart of Jesus? Not this guy. I feel sorry for the few left with him, but from what I've heard more people leave every week. Lower tithes should show these guys that they're not God, but instead CC pastors are bullies and power hungry.

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Michael

February 19, 2007  9:37am

I was an associate pastor at a Calvary Chapel in Southern California. The Senior Pastor ran a ministry without accountability. Administratively there was no accountability, there were many things done that were illegal. Many people have been hurt by this ministry and it continues operating to this day. Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa knows of this problem and nothing has been done. I’m glad this article was published; I hope it will shake up the Calvary Chapel movement for the better. I feel there is too much power given to senior pastors without some sort of accountability. Very few people can handle that kind of power, power does corrupt. However, I do want to make it clear, there are many Calvary Chapels that have Senior Pastors and their staff that are above reproach.

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ELIJAH

February 19, 2007  8:35am

BEWARE THE WRATH OF THE LORD WHORE OF BABYLON..OH...oh...WAIT A MINUTE.....this is just an article on a news webpage reporting some stories that may or may not be verifiable. Maybe a follow up article will be able to shed light or provide a different perspective.... Huh...hold off on the apostate damnation thing...just give us some sources or footnotes...maybe a counter story to balance...other than that...consider your salvation safe...

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Chris

February 19, 2007  8:27am

This is an informative article, however I am concerned that it seems that perhaps this should have been part of a series of in depth investigative journalism as to the workings of calvary chapel. As it is it seems to be reporting facts from here and there rather than a time invested inquiry (I speak of appearances, not fact no offense intended) >

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Jack

February 19, 2007  5:14am

It's good to see that responsible journalists aren't afraid to uncover the true evil lying beneath the whitewash of Calvary Chapel. As a member of 15 years and a pastor of 12 at CC, I have been exposed to this abuse, manipulation, and greed. From humble, sincere beginnings this movement has bred pastors and leaders who seek the big bucks and recognition for themselves. It's been six years since I left, and I have seen CC only worsen in that time. Money and power corrupt. You cannot serve God and mammon.

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Dennis Hoshiko

February 19, 2007  3:38am

The “Denominazation” of the Church has created institutional bureaucracies that limit the teaching of God’s Word and stifle the fulfillment of the Great Commission. Sin exists in all churches, no matter how vast and venerable their organizations are. People are sinful and no amount of bureaucratic oversight can completely quell nor address their sinfulness. Church discipline ultimately depends on the veracity of its local leadership. Calvary Chapels employ basic Biblical church governance. Do problems occur? Yes, because people attend them. Are problems always addressed perfectly? No, because people are involved. All things considered, given the extent the Calvary Chapel movement has grown in less than 50 years without becoming a denomination, one must say: “Hats off” to Pastor Chuck Smith and the thousands of Calvary Chapel pastors worldwide who are faithfully leading their churches God’s way instead of man’s way.

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Dee

February 19, 2007  1:06am

there's good and bad in EVERYTHING...Chuck Smith started a movement and God will either continue it or finish it. Leaders at Calvary beware God sees it all and you are not God...

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David

February 19, 2007  1:01am

Sin is no small issue in God's eyes. God's people must be willing to examine themselves and be braught into the light to search out that which is unclean. Our testimony to the world is our Godly conduct.

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SCREWTAPE

February 19, 2007  12:00am

MY DEAR WORMWOOD, I note with grave displeasure that your patient has become a Christian. Do not indulge the hope that you will escape the usual penalties… There is no need to despair; hundreds of these adult converts have been reclaimed after a brief sojourn in the Enemy's camp and are now with us. All the habits of the patient, both mental and bodily, are still in our favour. One of our great allies at present is the Church itself. Do not misunderstand me. I do riot mean the Church as we see her spread but through all time and space and rooted in eternity, terrible as an army with banners. That, I confess, is a spectacle which makes our boldest tempters uneasy. But fortunately it is quite invisible to these humans. All your patient sees is the half-finished, sham Gothic erection… Keep everything hazy in his mind now, and you will have all eternity wherein to amuse yourself by producing in him the peculiar kind of clarity which Hell affords.

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joe

February 18, 2007  10:41pm

I must say, the comments on this blog from Calvary Chapel adherents come across as very defensive. Just like a surgeon has to take out the bad stuff before cleansing can occur, maybe that's the way it has to be with the Calvary Chapel churches. One thing's for sure: I won't be visiting a Calvary Chapel anytime soon. Not if they act like I've seen hear.

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Erunner

February 18, 2007  10:00pm

The article didn't share a whole lot that I had not heard before. I have read many comments about this article on the web and it has created a firestorm of sorts. I have nothing to add that can shed any new light on any of this. I am a Christian who attends a Calvary Chapel that has my plate full with my own life and trying to live a life that is pleasing to our God. This has caused me to look inward and to examine myself. I want to glorify Jesus in my life and see His will done. I will seek to pray that God's will would be done throughout all of Calvary Chapel and other Christian churches in our nation. I pray that all who read this article would be looking inward and asking God for His strength to live out our faith in a world that desperately needs what we have. God bless each of you.

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accountabilty is good!

February 18, 2007  9:40pm

We will all answer to God for sure,I'm new check if I got this right...This is another disgrace like many before ....history does repeat itself. It is great that CC goes by the premise that it is not our job to judge. But is all of our jobs to "love one another" and how do you do that and allow this behavior by some to be so devasting to others. That is not "Christian". If you know of abuse, it should be treated legally, period. I trust God, not man. I wouldn't allow my child to be with another without supervision. Even though, in other public ventures, schools, jobs, etc. are governed by rules and laws, injustices occur too frequently. I believe allowing or encouraging any one person to be only accountable to God is having that person be unaccountable to anyone else. It's absurd & asking for trouble.We are all only accountable to God in the end, so what they are encouraging is to take matters into your own hands, if your child is molested & God forgives if you're truly sorry. SAD!

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Tim

February 18, 2007  9:37pm

Let's not forget...all churches are full of sinners. Don't ever put man in the place if God. I attend a Calvary Chapel. I am not a Calvary Chapelite; I am a follower of Jesus Christ. The sin exposed in this article grieves me deeply, but does not shock me. Also, I am not opposed to the printing of such an article...shoot the messenger. It's ok to critique and think. Calvary Chapel is not a cult where minions are controlled by a figure-head. That is obvious by the comments on this site. Let's deal with exact sins, specific problems, and not label a movement by stories. Haven't you ever talked to a non-believer who says they don't go to church because the last church they went to... or their Christian friend once did... Well, what is the difference between that faulty reasoning and what we as Christians would do to all of Calvary Chapel because of an article like this, even it it's 100% true. Keep your eyes on Jesus, not Pastor Chuck or even the pastor at your denominational church.

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Dee Dee

February 18, 2007  7:03pm

It makes my heart heavy to hear any church ripped apart, why would a Christian magazine want to criticize any church that has brought so many out of the grips of hell? We are frail and many fail but let God judge not man. If someone was to read this article and about to give his or her life to Jesus at a Calvary Chapel the next day do you think they would? The article went back years to criticize; each man is accountable to God not a church or Chuck Smith. Hopefully this has not ripped the hope out of a new child of God. I would have rather read the testimonies of changed lives not the money or sex problems of a few over many years. Lord help us to build one another up not to reveal all our sins before the world and you know they are watching.

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Tom Knott

February 18, 2007  6:56pm

God is great; God is good. No one else comes even close. (See Romans 3:23.) The article is, unfortunately, only representative of the state of the Americanized church manifested in the so called church growth movement. We glorify pastors (the word means shepherd, think about it) by making them into Chief Executive Officers accountable to God only. We make them to be God’s anointed. Untouchable. Infallible. In short we take on God’s greatness ourselves. Our goodness is not our own either. It is derived and imputed. There are too many examples to deny that we are still sinners saved from the wrath of God by the perfect work of Jesus and the absolute grace of God. Thus we need to be accountable to a plurality of leadership (call them elders) in a community of believers. When the church realizes who is truly great and good, and humbly submits to Him, the author and finisher of our faith; the One who builds the church, we will return to the true source of our power.

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kathrynjohnson77

February 18, 2007  6:45pm

I am a mere layperson. Two things come into my non-theologian's mind. First, weren't the 70 elders under Aaron and Moses supposed to act as judge between disputing parties among the peoples? What happens when much of the trouble is in the leadership...or between leader and leader...or between associate and senior...or laymember and the LORD's anointed? Second, didn't the New Testament epistles say something about settling our disputes quietly? About not dragging brothers into public court? and also, about considering ourselves lower than our fellows? After all, didn't Christ make himself a little lower (for a time) than the angels? Christ's model was more shattering than our fantastic models of how it all ought to be done (or ran).

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Ryan Shaddix

February 18, 2007  4:54pm

This is a very one sided article that does not give any voice to the amazingly abundant ministry that is going on throughout the world in Calvary Chapels and its affiliates. No doubt there are wolves among the flock that must be dealt with. On the other hand this article paints a "Movement" that is otherwise biblical solid, Holy Spirit lead, and Christ centered in every aspect, as a group of money hungry sex addicts. If this article was as balanced as its own opening statement I would applaud its reporting. One of the most phenominal things about Calvary Chapel as a whole has been its ability to handle the scandals, splits, and sin that arise in its members with grace and truth while maintaining the uncomprimised vision to preach the whole counsel of God. The vast majority of Calvary Chapels are raising up solid bible teachers and sending out missionaries to effectively reach this generation and the world abroad. To God be the Glory for the work He continues to do Calvary Chapels.

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John

February 18, 2007  4:31pm

As one who left the CC movement in 1992 (after 11 years) it grieves me still that the situation continues to worsen. The lust for power and greed for money (with shameless nepotism) has created a dirty wineskin that causes the children (including the pastors' kids) to stumble. Disgusting, God-dishonoring hirelings are the result--and this happened long before there was a Rick Warren.

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Anonymous

February 18, 2007  4:29pm

I have to say, I think it's wrong for the body of Christ to live in fear of "accusing God's children" or "speaking against God's anointed." Christ is God's anointed and the head of the church - as far as I know, He's the only one exempt from scrutiny and criticism. The rest of us had better pray that somebody is watching our behavior, and holding us accountable...it's why we go to church in the first place. We need each other, not only for encouragement, but for accountability, and no one needs it more than a pastor or person in leadership. I'd rather be called out by a brother or sister in Christ at church than by Jesus Himself on Judgment Day. But if you're only accountable "to God"...Yikes. Good luck with that.

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Chris

February 18, 2007  4:03pm

Good article on the fatal flaws of pastor-driven churches, however, a balancing article about board-driven, or denomination-driven, churches would be welcome, as well. Perhaps we need to own up to the fact that God is always renewing what was once dynamic. The "old wineskins" comment was right on. Once institutionalized, a movement rests more and more on the whim of fallen men and women. Control and dogma set in and what was once a vibrant, fluid and Spirit-led move then becomes a bureaucratic, cold-stone and man-led drudgery. Men still vie for the glory and numbers become all-important when the denomination or board rules, no less than when a pastor abuses his power. There is always an entropic reaction in a sustained movement. God is always trying to do something new to break the old mold after it has hardened. Perhaps the best summary of the resulting pack mentality of human organizations is this: None of us is as stupid as all of us. Thanks, Chuck, for the Word by which I now live.

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Randy

February 18, 2007  3:21pm

C'mon, people wake up. Calvary Chapel has always been a cult. Those brainwashed there will kill anyone who dare stands against their pope Chuck Smith. They cloister themselves away as if they alone are true. The place is a cult and always has been one.

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Michael Baun

February 18, 2007  2:54pm

The heart of Calvary Chapel's theology is Christ and Him crucified. And that Jesus is present and working in His people in awesome ways. I rejoice that God is reaching people with the message of the gospel.

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William J. Ricd

February 18, 2007  2:26pm

Who is Rob Moll and what are his qualifications?? sounds to me like a hatchet man....

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anon.

February 18, 2007  1:42pm

First CT goes after Pastor Skip Heitzig. At that point no doubt you lost many subscribers. Now this. This is indeed poor journalism. I assume you have a direct friendship with the Phoenix Preacher. His blog has never been a source of truth, as many who attend some of the churches he attacks will tell you. There are postings presented there only for sensationalism. Apologies show up from the PP author when things get heated, when he is wrong, or when he loses his cool uses bad language. Then his followers beg him not to leave and shut down the blog. Much of what is printed is leaked. Calvary pastors who posted there are now leaving, due to the ties between this article and that blog. They are fortunately choosing God's Word over blogging of that nature. Every church has problems, every pastor is human. The PP blog and this article are highlighting one movement for one (destructive) reason. I doubt God has elected either of you as the new Holy Spirit.

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Neil

February 18, 2007  12:26pm

As someone who has spent a large part of my church history in authoritarian churches you need to stop and think about this. Books have been written about church abuse. Now gov't gets involved in court cases, law suits etc.This is not persecution, it is proably God's judgement to let us know to examine ourselves and get our theology straight and change has to happen! But why is it taking so long? People continue to be hurt.! Judgement begins in God's house first. Better to judge ourselves first lest we be judged. Be slow to teach. Stay healthy and get psych evals. (and I'm not trying to be funny) Sadly leadership often times does not listen. There are huge pride issues and blind spots,people are left no other choice but to leave.

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Albuquerque Lady

February 18, 2007  11:37am

Thank you Rob for exposing the truth. It has been a long time coming. The CC pastors who are posting here have known for years of the corruption and coverups. They just don't want it exposed. By exposing the truth, you cut into their paychecks. They can't handle it if people in their own churches are encouraged to start asking questions. What are they going to do then, use the Moses Model and tell them if they don't like it, just leave? If they continue to do this long enough they'll be preaching to themselves. They allowed this monster to be built. Now that he's out of hand, it will be interesting to see if they are willing to live with it.

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James Ruj....

February 18, 2007  8:45am

Who are we to point fingures? I dont know what the motive of this article is, however if its written by a christian, He/she chose the wrong channel, if this was written and given to Chuck Smith it would have counted as good intentioned. Never the less, there is nothing new even in the early Church such problems existed 1Cor 1:10-17. So whatever motive the writer and publisher of this article had only God knows. They would have acted better as mediator just as the Bible says, publishing this in the international media is not the best decision ever made. You should have taken Chuck Smith's advice of not touching the annointed of God. Well God is a just, so may the almighty judge and may all those who plot evil against God's ministry be judged.

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rev214

February 18, 2007  7:45am

so long, CT...i can read one-sided hit jobs on other liberal media outlets...

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Another Former CC Pastor

February 18, 2007  7:22am

I too was a CC Pastor and Bible college grad. I have seen the inner workings of the church. This articles definitely rings true. David Rosales, do you really want to deny that Chuck gave Hocking a ministry while his elders from Calvary Santa Ana had him suspended from the ministry? Really? Why must we deny that CC has trampled over other churches discipline, been lax in their own and are run often by "on the team" megalomaniacs? I have seen far too many to know its just a "bad apple" here and there. Disagree, and there is the door (and we all laughed when Romaine would say it). Come on CC pastors, stop worrying about your image and start worrying about the truth. If there are problems (and there are) fix them instead of trying to cover.

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Brian

February 18, 2007  2:05am

It is sad that we, as Christians, do not know how to talk to each other or be accountable. I know the folks on the blog have been quite kind to me, I appriciate that. The CC people / pastors I know are also fine folks. There needs to be dialog, about these issues and many issues in the Christian community, we are loosing folks, hands down. I hope there is reconciliation.

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KB

February 18, 2007  12:24am

This article is way over due and in some respects too little too late. CC has been littered with these problems since its inception. The whole movement is corrupt, and not just in moral matters. I have been involved with CC for many years and have seen plenty of things that would make any secular unchurched person appalled! CC of the Finger Lakes outside of Rochester NY is a corrupt and worthless church and has been for years. All of thier offshoots are engulfed with the same problems.. If U attend CC get out NOW!

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Kelly

February 17, 2007  11:46pm

Anyone that has read the Phoenix Preacher knows the dude that runs it is psycho! Look at his crazy women following! Some of those women who worship him on that blog have serious issues as does the owner!

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friend

February 17, 2007  11:39pm

Rob, God be with you. You don't deserve what some of these folks are dishing out.

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Jonah

February 17, 2007  11:24pm

this is a poor article with little to say. "Facts" are incorrect and used in a subjective manner. I wish you people were more encouraging.

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John

February 17, 2007  11:23pm

I have always had a great deal of respect for Smith and CC. However, I have not appreciated the way that Smith has gone after Rick Warren. Rick is doing the same things that CC was criticized for 35 years ago; reaching people in relevant ways. The message has not changed. I haver been there 21 years and have seen the growth. Rick, like Chuck, will make mistakes. May he have a heart of humility......and when the PD model becomes "mainstream" and someone else in 10-20 years reaches a new generation with new methods may Warren encourage them instead of belittle them. May Chuck Smith address the issues represented herein, rise above them, and leave a legacy of integrity and grace. (As for some of the charges, I know first hand of one of the megachurch pastors who had an issue of infidelity and a baby born out of wedlock. It was never widely known. I am fine that this man has moved on in his ministry but too bad it is a missed oppty for an example of grace & restoration to others.

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David Rosales

February 17, 2007  11:16pm

i became involved in Calvary Chapel in 1970 and have pastored as a Calvary pastor for 27 years. From day one Calvary has been under a magnifying glass by arm chair critics. I stand amazed at the positive articles CT prints concerning seeker friendly churches and emergent churches, places that you don't even need bibles in. Calvary Chapel will easily stand close scrutiny when placed side by side with other movements and when the world starts looking for another "new wave" we will remain strong and blessed by God. Why? Because we honestly love Him and try our best to give out His Word, something that to this day remains rare in churches throughout our nation Hey, i have an idea. How about an expose on the emergent church's failure to honor God's Word, its postmodernism, and its propensity for honoriing profane and carnal pastors and homosexual behavior? This article should have been printed by the National Enquirer.

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Dale Trautman

February 17, 2007  10:25pm

What a disgusting smear job.I hope and pray that Chuck Smith sues this trashy magazine.Christianity? Today exists to build the Harlot church of Revelation.Remember that anyone who refuses to join in ecumenical unity at the cost of truth will be persecuted in the end times.Thank you Chuck for your faithfulness to the word of God and your stand against the Purpose Driven and Emergent movements . By the way Calvary Chapel kicked Vineyard out immediately upon discovering Wimbers promotion of the Latter Rain false gospel.

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Bob Laube

February 17, 2007  10:01pm

I am a pastor of a Calvary Chapel. I find it strange that out of the over 1,300 Calvary Chapels whose pastors don't do anything wrong, that you only focused on the ones who have. This reminds me of the days when Jim Bakker, and Jimmy Swaggart fell into sexual sin. Yes, there are going to be pastors who sin, or who do things wrong, but the numbers of those who don't will always outnumber those who do. The pastors I have met since I became affliated with Calvary Chapel are men of intregrity. None of them would dare abuse their sacred position. So please, give the other side of the coin. Let your readers know that the vast majority of Calvary Chapel pastors dearly love the flock that the Lord has entrusted into their care. Also, because of your one-sided coverage, I am going to cancel my subscriptions to both "Christianity Today," and "Leadership."

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Sam

February 17, 2007  9:07pm

It appears Christianity Today has a strategic beef with Calvary Chapel. This article is rude. I think it is assault on Chuck Smith for taking a stance against the Rick Warren's teachings and methods.

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God's Geek

February 17, 2007  8:54pm

I'm just sorry so many Calvary pastors have seen fit to grab for themselves what our Lord blessed them with. I left Calvary Albuquerque when it became Skip, INC.

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Stephen

February 17, 2007  7:56pm

Bill, there is really no need to upset your feelings, the writer just presented facts, and I feel he did it in a very professional way. Don't let an article like this get you all frazled up. I too was a member of a Calvary, and the authoritative system flourishes through the Calvary Chapel Distinctives, it's undeniable. This was not an attempt to smear the church. Members of the church need to know what is going on with their leaders, especially financially. A church is a body of Christian of Christian believers. To see that there are flaws in a church are going to happen, and the reason for this is because all churches are headed by sinners, with by most (but not at all) the guidance of all. When a pastor or leader "falls" or is involved with "abuses" it doesn't destruct the name of Jesus, it just shows that no one is above Him, and the reason why we have a Church and Christ is because none of us are perfect including Chuck. Why not be aware of what is going on with Calvary?

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John Mendoza

February 17, 2007  5:52pm

Rob, Pastor Chuck spoke well in warning you not to touch God's annointed. Your article reveals a very obvious bias against Calvary Chapel (a movement that the Lord has used mightily for the past 30 years and continuing). It appears that you have joined the ranks of our culture’s dishonest media agenda setters. Does this reflect the unabashed ungodliness of the magazine or just your own heart?

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Jason

February 17, 2007  5:45pm

I'm wondering if there is scripture I've missed somehwere that gives an exception to not gossiping if you're a "christian" journalist? Apparently, Jesus didn't know what He was talking about in Mathew 18. I'm very disappointed in CT for allowing this article to be posted. You should be ashamed.

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Rich

February 17, 2007  5:45pm

I don't care for "un-named sources," however, I can also understand why it must be. But, in the body of Christ, where is the courage to stand up and be counted? The artcle above seems objectively critical, which is refreshing from the typical emotional outbursts often read in media (christian and secular).

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A. M. Nott

February 17, 2007  5:10pm

[Sorry-- New reader-- 1st attempt was addressed to Editor] Extremely timely & well-written. Wasn't aware of restoration processes; all ministers within my acquaintnace who have dumped their wives just move & change denominations & get by with it. One even had a restraining order on his wife so she couldn't tell anyone. She was homeless for months. Another moved out of state & remarried before he filed for divorce. Just out of curiosity, how many affairs would it take for a single or divorced member of ministerial staff to have before he's considered a womanizer? Anyone care to address this>

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Anonymous

February 17, 2007  5:02pm

Odd that this article would point out only the cases where things have turned out bad. Sure it talks about how Calvary Chapel says they deal with Sexual Immorality but they don't really give any examples. Funny how it's just trying to paint the entire Calvary Chapel movement as one that doesn't have any accountability and that it all stems back to Chuck Smith. What about Brian Michaels from Calvary Chapel Spring Valley in Las Vegas. When he refused to abide by the board of CCSV in His restoration process they removed his ordination as a CC Pastor. I don't know it just seems like this article is a little unbalanced.

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Anonymous

February 17, 2007  4:01pm

While we are all human and we all sin when we repent we are forgiven by our God and those we sinned against. The acusations in this article are sadly misrepresented by person(s) that are still living in sin and unrepentant and should not be in ministry. In my 30+ years of being a member of Calvary Chapels I have never seen or heard of the many things accused in your article. No one needs to respond to lies. Remember we see and believe what we want, if you are looking to destroy someone (or a church) you can try with creating, listening, and spreading lies. I would not want to be the accuser of any falsehood against His children.

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j. crandall

February 17, 2007  3:37pm

Very Dissapointed in CT. There is something very petty but convenient about un-named sources naming names. This puts you in the same class as an internet blog. It's funny, I once let my Subscription to CT lapse because they weren't edgy enough. Now your on the same edge as a supermarket tabloid. Bad form CT. Bad form...

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Sam

February 17, 2007  2:53pm

rob moll is a coward quoting cowards who refuse to give their names. Please take 'Christianity' out of your name. the article & author is very unlike Jesus. and I say this as a Lutheran

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Tony

February 17, 2007  2:44pm

A 12-year-old asked his wife? "a 12-year-old churchgoer asked his wife for advice in dealing with inappropriate touching by a pastor.

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Bill

February 17, 2007  2:20pm

All these Calvary chapel pastors coming on here to defend their turf are wasting their time. Those who know the truth have already left Calvary chapels and have written off you "pastors" at them as the cult leaders that you are.

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Obla Dee Obla Da

February 17, 2007  1:13pm

I can't stand it when Folks say "Yeah, but compared to....we're not that bad!" If this Reporter has pointed out legitimate areas of concern, own up to it, deal with it and move on! I suspect those that are hoping for Chuck Smith to step up and take responsibility for these things, shouldn't hold their breath too long. Can you imagine the legal ramifications of such a confession? Just think about it.

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Nadwog

February 17, 2007  1:10pm

This article opens up the wounds already inflicted by the heartache caused by Calvary. Throughout reading this article in its entirety, the one thing that resonated continuously in my thoughts was how much we Christians really need to be on our knees praying for the restoration and unity of the church. Christ didn't come to divide and conquer believers. It is so sad when men in the pulpit can't acknowledge their sins and do the Godly thing. I am convicted by not spending more time in prayer and asking God to restore His body. I remember going to Calvary many years ago because they simply taught the bible. They went verse by verse and explained things and you were able to go just as you were and not get all dresssed up! This is an article that needed to be written, so thank you Rob Moll for exposing the truth and going where others would fear to tred. Thank you for doing your homework. There are so many Godly pastors, including Calvary Chapel there that need our prayers!

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Grace

February 17, 2007  1:06pm

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. While I will agree that in the CC fellowship I attend, there are problems with Administration of the Church, the Pastor (according to ACTs) was to be a teacher, given much to the study of the word and to prayer. Deacons were appointed to do the work. I don't agree that you lump all CC's together. As addressed, each CC is individual. As I understand it, you only have to show to CCCM your teaching to become affiliated with CC. Teaching is one thing, leading is quite another. It seems here you ahve problems with the leaders of some churchs. God says in Mat 7:1 "Judge not, that ye be not judged." and in Luk 6:37 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven" and in Jhn 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.". We are not accountable to men, but to God. God commands us to be like the Berians. You are accountable for your own acts.

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Jersey Joe

February 17, 2007  12:59pm

Some of these comments are missing the point. The CT article is addressing a problem - mostly a lax attitude about sexual sin. Yes, thank God for all CC has done through the years. Let's all praise God for it. But we cannot out of loyalty for past accomplishments ignore current allegations about sexual sin, especially when they are being heard from many quarters. The timing of the David Hocking hiring was simply wrong and is a red flag. You might ask, "Can't a repentant sinner be restored?" Of course he can! My complaint about the Hocking hiring concerns integrity. Before Hocking's affair he helped write a church policy about how to restore a fallen church leader. He sinned and then refused to follow his own policy for restoration. Every Christian, or non-Christian organization, must have a good system for holding people accountable. To follow such a system may at times appear to be disloyal to an organization, but will in the end demonstrate a loyalty to a holy and impartial God!

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Anonymous

February 17, 2007  12:57pm

What we all know to be true is that were this author to conduct an in-depth investigation into the inner workings of any organization, denomination or fellowship of churches, he would find injured attendees, disgruntled former employees, imperfect leadership, and a whole host of other issues and problems that would pique the interest of curious outsiders and onlookers. After all, where there are people, it's guaranteed there will be people-problems. Though it may be interesting to wonder about the future of CC, I think it would be far more appropriate to look at the countless number of CC fellowships that honor God and are making a positive eternal impact in their communities and through worldwide missions. Our God is big enough to deal with the frailties and failings of His children, and will bring to light that which needs discipline and attention. Who are we, those who will never know the full story behind any of the issues mentioned in this article, to think we know best?

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mike macon

February 17, 2007  12:43pm

Being very familiar with Roger Ulman and the goings-on at CC Kalamazoo, and seeing how very breathtakingly poorly the facts were checked by the author in that matter, I have little confidence that the rest of the article is very strict on accuracy.

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Russ

February 17, 2007  12:19pm

"Michael Newnham now runs a blog where he reports on scandals and gives a voice to Calvary Chapel members who have been victims of other scandals....." Nothing like carrying the Devils water... Hey Michael Jam 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. Grow up Michael

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mamapie

February 17, 2007  12:03pm

I went to CC and was married in a CC and now am a Reformed Christian and realizing how far off the "path" CC has gotten.We left CC because we realized the true Gospel was not being preached and we also confronted the senior pastor on some "christian cliche" he used in his sermon and said how that was unscriptural and he said he didn't mean it that way.We told him that the majority of the church took it the way we did and maybe he should explain to the congregation what he really meant.He never did. We left.There are many believers in CC BUT because of CC's prejudice against having a church government to keep the Pastor in line, which is having elders and deacons as officers of the Body to keep order and make sure the true Gospel, sacraments and church discipline is being carried out,CC is only going to get worse.When I was there,we were against the "Faith Movers"..now my friends that are still there are very much into that and worse.God help CC and Chuck Smith to realize they are false

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Anonymous

February 17, 2007  11:29am

I have been in Calvary Chapels for almost 20yrs and seen first hand the covering of a pastor's sexual sin. The regional pastor did nothing and this man was restored to the pulpit within 1 week without the assistant pastors or elders of that church being told of the sin. It's not just going on in the west coast. The east coast is just as corrupt.

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What?

February 17, 2007  11:29am

The writer wrote about alledged inappropriate behavior of a staff person then concludes with this: "Santa Ana police told CT that interviews with girls at the church could not verify that anything illegal had occurred." CT owes this guy an apology! Un-named sources...what is this? If their not willing to be named isn't that gossip, shouldn't they confront Chuck Smith or whoever?

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Mary in CA

February 17, 2007  10:49am

I encourage everyone in Calvary Chapel or curious about it, to prayerfully read Calvary Chapel's own Calvary Chapel Distinctives with a pen, paper, and Bible at hand. I was floored at the discrepancies within the book itself, and took to marking margins with comments like "this paragraph conflicts with what Smith said on page 55," etc. It's a SCARY book. I find it amazing that it is still sold and not covered up as a huge embarrassment to CC. And I've personally seen folks chewed up and spit out of their leadership. I'm glad that this article brought to light how Smith has his own non-Biblical version of eldership in the church. Accountable to God? Yikes! His certainly is! Thanks to Rob Moll for being brave enough to write this article. Some may find it offensive, but it must be said, lest some souls be lost to hell, all the while believing that they are glory-bound.

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Daphne

February 17, 2007  10:24am

I am a longtime attender of several Calvarys, including Costa Mesa. I love the people and the indepth teaching of the Bible they offer, but I have been deeply hurt by the pastors twice when I reached out for help when in serious need as a cancer patient, single woman without family, barely able to hold a part-time job due to my illness. My phone calls were not returned, or if they were, I was told they would get back to me later, etc. I couldn't help but wonder, if they don't help someone like me, a regular attender, who do they help? Some of the Calvarys are appalling places and I agree with many of the writer's allegations, but no human organization will ever be perfect. I would no longer attend a Calvary simply because of its name. I choose a church by how it actually functions, but that is the healthy thing to do. Always judge by what is being taught, the people, pastor and other important things, no matter what name is on the door.

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mike b

February 17, 2007  9:30am

If you do the right thing, it doesn't necessarily matter what denomination or association you are in. It is a shame that Jesus is left out of this whole article. I deal with people on a weekly basis who have no problem with Jesus, but his church has run a muck. I admire Pastor Smith, but he should have clamped down on this a long time a go. Being a Methodist Minister I sometimes see the benefits of an episcopal government when this happens. May we all pray for those who lead us and those in Calvary Churches.

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Ted

February 17, 2007  9:18am

I'm just tired of the people that love Calvary Chapel more than Jesus Himself. CC is a cult.

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Alex Baker

February 17, 2007  8:58am

In the day of Judgment I would not want to be a part of what people has turned Gods church into. "No fear is the word" trust and obey "if it is comfortable to me". They no longer warn of Hell and the Judment to come. How can the teachers of this evil today not escape the wrath of God. Oh just give them the money and it will all be ok right ! Repent of your wicked ways teachers turn from your sin.

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James Sundquist

February 17, 2007  8:00am

I wrote a four part documentary on this very subject entitled: PASTOR IS MASTER, ISN'T HE? Available at: http://rock-to-salt.cephasministry.com/pastor_1.html It specifically addresses Chuck Smith's chapters on church government vs. Scripture before I wrote two books on Rick Warren, exposing many of the same problems entitled: WHO'S DRIVING THE PURPOSE DRIVEN CHURCH? and RICK WARREN'S GLOBAL PEACE PLAN VS. SCRIPTURAL TEACHINGS ON PEACE. Rick Warren's Purpose Driven Church is at the heart of the major split in Calvary Chapel! Kindest regards in Christ, James Sundquist Director Rock Salt Publishing http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/False-Teachers.html

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Mark

February 17, 2007  7:59am

Regarding the comment..."old wineskins" remember "New Wineskins"? Later Rain Theology is still alive and well. Don't be fooled.Think house churches and now Emergent. There is nothing new under the sun. NAR. New Apostolic Reformation... been there done that with the word of faith movement. I've hit them all by now. That horse needs to be sent out to pasture permanently.

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Mark Leag

February 17, 2007  7:20am

basically gossip, isn't it?

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Scott Bushey

February 17, 2007  6:09am

It may not be a cult, but it has a cultic personality. Someone at work the other day asked me if lack of team work was our problem; my response was that we don't have enough employees; there's no team. You can't have 'teamwork' if you don't have a team to begin with. The above mentions 'pressing on'. The real question to ask is if CC is a true church to begin with. Do they have the 3 marks that make up a biblical church? Slaving day and night under the wrong presidence is silly at best and possible sinful at worse.

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Mark M

February 17, 2007  5:04am

Having been involved with Calvary Chapels for over 20 years, I find this article a sound and overdue wake up call. I can't agree with calling the movement "seeker sensitive", and yes, it focuses on the negative issues, but it seems well written. I am excited that there are some within the movement looking to distribute leadership in a more Biblical fashion, and a great deal of communication between pastors and congregants is going on outside of the official structure. I don't believe God is through with Calvary Chapel, but I think they better be realistic and repent in areas that need to change lest their lampstand be removed.

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Daniel

February 17, 2007  1:38am

I have for a time had a feeling that CT was a ship moving in the wrong direction. There's little that is Christian in this article.

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connie

February 17, 2007  1:22am

Thank God for this article. Many years ago I would of denied all of this. Nothing in the world was as wonderful as CC. Finally, I saw what was going on first hand. I ignored reality for a long, long time. Thank you for this writing.

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David Martinez

February 17, 2007  1:12am

I use to attend Calvary Chapel where Raul Ries the pastor, and I am glad that God brought me out of that Cult! I was knew the worship leader of that church, and he was fired, brought back, then let go again! Raul Ries was trying to stop his church from splitting up, so he brought back the worship leader, and when Raul felt safe, he fired him again! Raul Ries is a horrible pastor, and the worship leader referred to the staff at Raul's church as "Christian Nazis"! Go figure. Maybe Christianity Today should do a story on Raul Ries and his phony doctrate degree, he did not even write it himself, it was written by a staff member who is a proffesional script writer! The funny thing about people who attend a Calvary Chapel, they seem to love Calvary Chapel more than they love Christ!

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Ray

February 17, 2007  12:44am

perfect peice for puppy training

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Calvary Laguna Employee

February 17, 2007  12:01am

I have worked for Calvary Laguna for many years (your article refers to Calvary Laguna as Calvary Chapel of Laguna Beach). You have printed above "Calvary Chapel of Laguna Beach, California, fired pastor Joe Sabolick, accusing him of embezzlement and adultery." I think you'd better consider firing your fact-checkers, that is if you even have any. If you don't have fact-checkers you really should consider hiring some because what you're spreading just isn't fact. Everyone who reads this article should double check the facts for themselves.

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Saddened

February 16, 2007  11:18pm

This article was very biased against Calvary Chapel. I think that you could take almost any church and find faults with it. What we need to remember that pastors are only human. They are to be held to a higher standard, however, they are not perfect and should not be put on pedastal. Where there is true misconduct it should be dealt with in an appropriate manner. No one but God knows all the details in these situation and ultimately He will be the judge. I wonder why there was not mention of the thousands of Calvary Chapels that are thriving, without any sexual or financial scandal. I think that the minority, not the majority of Calvary Chapels are facing the issues discussed in the article. Next time I would suggest that the author look outside his own clearly prejudiced opinions to the truth.

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Ruth

February 16, 2007  10:55pm

Rob Moll (an associate editor of CT) you've done a fine job on you article. I am sorry for the spanking you are receiving from some, but you have to know that the true CCites will stick together at ALL costs and they will try to discount your intelligence and your standing with God. They are mean, cold, lying and vindictive. Sometimes followers do strange things for their leader. And. . .I do not think exposing sin makes the heart of God weep, but rather the covering up of sin and continued abuses of His children in His name.

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NO STARS!!!!!

February 16, 2007  10:54pm

NO STARS! I HAPPEN TO KNOW EVERY SOURCE PERSONALLY USED FOR THIS ARTICLE, AND NOT ONE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MARK FOREMAN, WHOM I GREATLY RESPECT, IS EMOTIONALLY SOUND. JEFF SCHELLER WAS AN INTERN WHO HAD GREAT ASPIRATIONS AND AMBITIONS. WHEN THEY WEREN'T RECOGNIZED HE AND HIS WIFE MADE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE PASTOR WHO'S JOB HE WANTED. HIS WIFE EMBELLISHED AN INNOCENT CONVERSATION FROM A GIRL WHO DIDN'T WANT TO EXERCISE INTO A SEXUAL CRISIS. SHE HERSELF HAS HAD A VERY JADED PAST AND INTERPRETS MOST OF LIFE THROUGH THAT SKEWED LIGHT. I AM SORRY THAT YOU WERE SEDUCED INTO SUCH A NONSENSICAL ATTACK ON A CHURCH THAT HAS LITERALLY BLESSED MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WORLDWIDE BY PRESENTING TO THEM THE WORD OF GOD WITH CLARITY AND POWER! I FELL VERY SORRY FOR YOU. YOU HAVE LOST QUITE A BIT OF CREDIBILITY WITH YOUR READERS. T

Mac

February 16, 2007  10:21pm

It's a tough call...should it be one star or two? I'll give credit to the fact that there are some things in the article that need to be dealt with in CC. But the article itself? Poor journalism, at best. "Fair and Balanced" it's not. Armed with unnamed sources and an agenda a mile long, the author lost the opportunity to treat this story in a dignified and constructive manner. Better journalism would have allowed total attribution of sources, allowing both sides to build their case. Rather than moderate the discussion, the author chose to take sides.

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kathy rich

February 16, 2007  9:50pm

I have been attending a Calvary Chapel for the past 12 years , I am blessed that the Lord called me to such a great "Bible Based Teaching Church" Why the microscope, where is the "perfect church" how can there be thee perfect church, when it is filled with imperfect people who are gathering souls for the Kingdom. Calvary Chapels are strictly Biblical, I have known of many things that have gone down in my home church, but I have also witnessed strict biblical principles applied to the problems. When we get to heaven we will then know what our church did wrong" as the Lord will speak, "this you did well, but I have this against you", prayerfully we will have been found faithful with a small lack of what the Lord required of us !! As for now maybe we continue to be fishers of men, we catch them , they clean them haha be richly blessed in the Lord kr Amen

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Paul

February 16, 2007  9:47pm

Very good, yet sad commentary on the demise of a dynamic movement. It's time has come and gone. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Yes, many people came to Christ through the movement. The question is, how many have stayed away or turned back because of the infidelity of the so-called spiritual leaders?

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Ray

February 16, 2007  9:33pm

Although not a CC'er, as a pastor, I have been blessed to watch many good ministries come out of this movement, and to see the legions that have found Christ within their churches. I have learned much from them. Sadly, I have also had first hand confirmation of at least one of the examples cited in this article and can attest to the veracity of what is being reported. The greater exposure a ministry has, an even greater responsibility to be accountable and have transparency must also be displayed to the public by that ministry. 'Walking in the light' demands it. My prayer for my friends in this movement is not to attach the 'messenger' ... but to learn from the context of what is being said. As a pastor, this article is a great reminder for me to look often in the mirror of God's Word to see what it is showing me about myself. My prayers for all Calvary's and their network of godly pastors ... is for them to do the same ... and I know many already have, and will.

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lms

February 16, 2007  9:24pm

I believe Rob and his editors believed they were representing the facts as they were presented to them all the while respecting sources that did not want to be revealed. My question is this...why would intelligent, competent men and women not want to be identified with this article? I believe it's because of fear...and I don't know what they're afraid of, but the head of the movement should be concerned about this because perfect love should cast out fear.

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Recently Rededicated

February 16, 2007  9:14pm

What is the purpose in writing this article? Is it to tear down a work God is using? Even if all the accusations in this article are true, God is using Calvery Chapel to change lives! God used CSN and Pastor Bob Coy to soften my heart and bring me back to confessing Christ. No one is perfect and maybe change is needed it at Calvery Chapel. But this article is on the level of what non-believers would do to discredit the work of the Lord. CT should concentrate on trying to build up the body and not tear it apart.

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RAB

February 16, 2007  8:43pm

Unfortunately, too much of this is true. Chuck Smith once said that he would never defend church history. That would certainly apply here, as too much of what I have experienced personally, and that which my family has experienced, are not defensible Biblically. In a Calvary Chapel where things begin to go wrong, if you question the leadership of the church, you are cast aside. It is suggested that, by questioning church leadership, you are questioning God. There is never a thought given to the possibility that God is questioning them. Chuck may say that this article is trying to do harm to the work of God. The Bible says it's hell to be the subject of God's wrath. I say people wouldn't be questioning leadership in Calvary Chapels, if the leadership's actions and decisions were reflecting the Word of God. And maybe that is the real problem. But then who am I, but him accused of 'always dragging the Bible into it'.

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Hmm...

February 16, 2007  8:39pm

Sex, drugs and worship music. Only one thing has changed.

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Doug

February 16, 2007  8:35pm

Check out the Calvary Chapel Wiki which has been dealing with these questions for over ten years. http://calvarychapel.pbwiki.com.

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Sing to the Lord

February 16, 2007  8:34pm

Having lived in a city that has a huge CC fellowship with a star pastor, the article is hardly surprising. However, the CC should always be commended for their pure evangelistic work. As a neighboring pastor, my congregation has reaped rewards of God's use of the CC. But, the CC movement needs to realize that they are not the only Chrisitan fellowship in town, that star pastors (who never get to know their flocks) aren't really pastors at all, they are (sometimes great) teachers and leaders. All models of governing a church wind up with serious flaws; however the flaws can be balanced to some extent by allowing accountability. I believe the evangelistic fever of the CC is a gift to the Church- if only they were to realize that they are just part of the church, and not the whole body. OK, my bias is showing, but many of us non-star Christ serving pastors have been hurt by the CC attitude that it is all about them and their Jesus....

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CT and yellow journalism

February 16, 2007  8:31pm

Let me see, three articles on Calvary Chapel in 9 months? All negative. All three by the same author. All three quote from the Phoenix Preacher who has a serious ax to grind with CC. Moll fails to mention that Jeff Schellers wife is on the payroll at Christianity Today. Moll fails to mention that he asked Chuck Smith whether he was lenient on sin because he had had a recent affair. Moll knows that the pastor on staff at CCCM has been COMPLETELY exonerated by the police of all pedophilia allegations, yet he prints all the gory details anyway. Rob quotes numerous un-named sources...Could the former associatte be Don McClure? Unbelievable yellow journalism.

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bryan

February 16, 2007  8:29pm

This could have been written about any comparable movement of God. There are problems with every form of church government. I have a friend who almost had his life ruined because of minor disagreements with the board of an elder driven church. Maybe Christianity today should contact him to expose the evils of elder driven churches. Even though Chuck Smith has made mistakes I think he has done a good job with the way he has overseen the ministries the Lord has placed him over. This article hasn't caused me to lose respect for him at all.

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David

February 16, 2007  8:26pm

After serving as a faitfull puppy at C.C. Costa Mesa for 31 years, I confronted Chuch and Brian about the miss doings that were goings on there and I was told to not go away mad, just go away. I was told that I was touching God's anointed, well I guess Nathan was doing the same to David so I feel I'm in good company. You people out side really don't know the half of the garbage that is going on at C.C.C.M by the anointed ones. Calvary Chapel in not a denomiation, its a cult.

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Kelly

February 16, 2007  8:26pm

My husband was the assistant pastor of a Calvary. When the Senior pastor's wife divorced him, all the big Calvary leaders rallied around him. When my husband reccomended the Senior pastor take a break from preaching after a suicide attempt, we were told in no uncertain terms never to return. We found out later the divorce's root was his repeated affairs and drug addiction. Even though other Calvary pastors knew about the problems, they did their best to cover the sin. Its too bad that more people weren't willing to go on record with the reporter, but there are huge accountability issues in Calvary that run all the way to the top. This article, Newnam's blog--these are the tools that could be used by the organization to help the people in the churches instead of always defending the pastors. Unforunantly, I doubt that will be the result.

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Paschall

February 16, 2007  8:16pm

I came out of an Every Nations church in Dallas called Trinity Church pastored by Joe Martin. They follow this same method of a "moses" like leader. Every Nations used to be Morning Star Churches and that used to be Maranatha. To this day they have authoritarian (sheperding), financial, and sexual issues. Why? Because they follow a flawed model. Jesus is our NEW high priest of the Order of Melchedsidek. New order, new covenant. The Moses model is simply error. Period. We read in the first portion of Galatians that the teachings of Paul came from Jesus himself. So who is greater then, Moses or Jesus? The New Testament outlines the order and structure for the "church" and from Acts to Romans to Galatians to Jude we see Paul and other writers and their struggle with "judaizers". The problem is man-worship. People worship Smith. Smith WILL answer to God and so will everyone who idolized him or any other leader or movement above the Word of God. John 1 doesn't say "Smith"!

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Scott Mahathey

February 16, 2007  8:13pm

A Calvary Chapel Leadership Survey website is available to all who have had conflicts with Calvary Chapel Leaders. Go to http://ccsurveys.com.

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Bedros

February 16, 2007  8:06pm

Calling Calvary Chapel a cult is a biased unfounded opinion. One need only to look at Matt 7:16-20 and realize that the Calvary Chapel movement in general is a work of God not that of men. It continues to be the work of God and you need only to look at the fruit God has produced through its churches and pastors and how it has impacted and changed the lives of untold millions. Though this article may point out the few "splinters" within the Calvary Chapel network, it in now way speaks for all of the Calvary Chapels who slave day and night to press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

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Dan Smith

February 16, 2007  7:20pm

Bravo to Rob Moll for for having the heart and courage to so objectively report on the FACTS of events that have actually transpired and to Christianity Today for publishing it. I did not feel that it was in any way negative. Informative articles such as this one can only lead to a greater public awareness and pastoral accountability. How can that be "negative"?

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Michael

February 16, 2007  6:55pm

I was part of Calvary Chapel's for close to 10 years. I got my foundation in the Lord through them and enjoyed all the Bible learning but I did notice that you could not disagree with the pastors. They would always quote, "Don't touch God's anointed" giving the hint that something awful would happen to us if we said anything about the pastors. Even when I and the elders saw inappropriate behavior coming out of the pastor toward a young rich divorcee, it was swept under the rug and then there would be a "change" in the elder board because they confronted the pastor about his behavior. The pastor never changed. My wife and I eventually left because we saw that the pastor was NOT held accountable for his behavior. He seemed way to power hungry. We would never attend a Calvary Chapel again.

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David Gruneisen

February 16, 2007  6:49pm

I find it interesting that Pastor Chuck Smith uses the example of Moses as a model for leadership in the Calvery Chapel organization. The "Moses leadership model" is written in Numbers 11. In Numbers 12:3 (NIV) we read "Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth." Humbleness does not come to mind when I read of Pastor Smith's ideas on leadership and accountability.

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marychada wrucke

February 16, 2007  6:49pm

REad my book,"Celia O'Riley's Family" (Publishamerica) for a refreshing look at America today..

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J. Sabolic

February 16, 2007  6:41pm

This is a good article, but it barely scratches the surface of their problems. Many lives have been hurt by their power-hungry politics. Chuck believes himself to be God's instrument of sanctification for his people, and so he moves missionaries, pastors and administrators from church to church and city to city, usually on a whim, often overnight - so that they will not get "too comfortable" and cease to be "useful to the Lord." I wish also that another article will expose all the dirty politics, power struggle, tyranny and impunity that goes on at their Bible College. Calvary Chapel is becoming a dangerous movement because it is developing a cult-like mindset: they will not read much outside their own literature, and they will believe and do whatever their pastors tell them. This is why they are already equating the criticisms here with the work of "God's enemies." Disturbing indeed.

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Jan

February 16, 2007  6:09pm

This is a piece of hack journalism filled with gossip, misrepresentations, and innuendo. Its intent is clearly to inflame rather than edify. Rob Moll has (once again) written a piece fit for only the tabloids, fed by "unnamed" sources and malcontents aimed directly at Calvary Chapel. How disappointing that a formerly credible Christian magazine would stoop so low with such a clearly one-sided agenda. Count me as one who will cancel my subscription to your magazine immediately...your credibility is shot.

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John

February 16, 2007  6:09pm

Most of the non denominational churches today still suffer from the effects of the "shepherding movement" most people in leadership today were discipled during those years..Its all they know. I am glad for seperation of church and state but in cases like these I think it is better to fight and have things exposed. Books on church abuse have been out for at least a decade now. How leadership still gets away with it is beyound me.I'm a recovering victim and I see it coming a mile away now.

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Ex-Calvary Pastor

February 16, 2007  6:06pm

This is an excellent article. It's about time that this pseudo-denomination faces up all its abuses. They are not interested in correcting their theological ignorance, but when they'll have to deal with the results of their power-hungry bishopric system. It is very typical that the pastor above simply calls the accusations "ridiculous" and hopes that it is CT's credibiliy that has been put on the line. We'll see about that! It is also telling that he associates an expose' like this with the work of "the enemies of God" who must be rejoicing today." To oppose Calvary is to oppose God, huh? The concept of a cult comes immediately to mind.

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Sam

February 16, 2007  5:54pm

As a former CC member (15 + years), this article was consistent in many ways with my experience. No accountability and if you questioned anything--even to get information on use of funds or dismissal of staff--you were immediately marginalized. Don't tell me to get in there and help change things for the better! When you're blackballed from lay ministry (no explanation or even announcement that you're no longer working in that ministry), there's nothing you can do. We were treated as pariahs, simply because we and others asked for information. Designated funds were sometimes disbursed according to the whims of unknown person(s). CC had great potential for broad-based effective ministry for the Kingdom, but by setting the pastor up as answerable only to God (or a hand-picked board), an environment of mistrust, division and arrogant, autocratic rule eventually became the norm. Everyone needs to be accountable to someone else. Parishioners have left our former church in droves.

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Jeff

February 16, 2007  5:52pm

Considering that it would be impossible to do justice to the issues referenced in this article in a magizine format, I think that this article was a fine example of journalistic reporting. Mr Moll should be commended for his hard work, courage and the sacrifices that he made to bring this information out of the darkness and into the light.

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Otto

February 16, 2007  5:35pm

Sad, very sad. I think the Chuck Smith "Moses Model" is a setup for abuse of church members. I've seen it happen. It happened to me. Pastor as King? Nope. I was also appalled that Smith used the "Don't Touch God's Anointed" line with the CT reporter. I hope people who attend CC, and pastors, realize that the CC world is a small one. There are lots better churches and denoms. out there.

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Bill

February 16, 2007  5:09pm

Great article, Rob. Few names, dates or quotes, anonymous sources, 1,300 churches but only a few quoted. You didn't have the guts to call the big name CC pastors who would gladly talk on the record, and those you chose to talk to took the easy way out. So let me make sure I get it right, all of us readers have to trust YOU, Rob Moll, to tell us what the truth is? That's the way the Washington Post and the New York Times operate, and apparently the way CT now runs as well. You write and we take your word for it? Isn't that what you are saying is wrong with CC churches? Your article did not do a service to anyone, it didn't help anyone, it didn't serve any purpose, it's just an outsider throwing mud around. If you want to make a difference, join a CC and help out. If not, perhaps it's time to take up a new career. I heard the National Enquirer is hiring. I have subscribed to CT for more than 20 years, but it looks like the association is long overdue to end.

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Chad Myhre

February 16, 2007  4:40pm

Was CT bought out by the National Enquirer? Thanks for edifying the body of Christ and white-washing an entire movement in the eyes of the public.

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interesting

February 16, 2007  4:07pm

Good job on the article, Rob Moll, although you could have paid attention to all of the good things going on in CC as well as the bad (like what Bill Ritchie is doing at Crossroads in Vancouver, Washington). Not all CCs are alike, and one of the worst things about something like this is that good men of God and good churches will get caught up in this mess and people will wonder if they themselves do these things. Another one of the worst things is the pro-CC apologists who are attacking you. This is what happens at Phoenix Preacher, and trust me sir, they will come at you hot and heavy until you submit to their will. Let them. Post their words for the whole world to see and let the entire church know how contentious some of these people can be.

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Seriously lacking

February 16, 2007  4:06pm

Amazing that CT would resort to such shabby reporting. Gathering information from disgruntled people remaining anonymous could pretty much trash anyone's reputation. Shame on CT and Rob Mull who did not do a fair job of interviewing all the mega Calvary pastors or fairly represent the ones he did interview. I pastor a mega Calvary Chapel in the east and would have welcomed an interview if I felt he was being fair. It is obvious his motive was to trash. The timing on this article is especially poor as the antics of a "Faith Type" church in Minnesota hit front page of the local news there for abuse power and money on a scale that has not been even remotely true of Calvary Chapel. When evil surmising and innuendo becomes the basis for journalism we are hitting rock bottom. And at least it get right about the most significant distinction of Calvary Chapel please-- It's "teaching the Word of God in a practical and spirit filled way," not trying to be relevant.

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patrick

February 16, 2007  4:05pm

Excellent article. I find it interesting that many who are criticising it would be rejoicing if it was an expose' on Benny Hinn, or some questionable movement. But now that it is their own beloved movement, everyone is evil, and slanderous! Typical "doublespeak", and this coming from a movement whose founder set dates for the Lord's return and caused many to bail out on the faith when He did not return(December 31,1981) hmmm, can you say dangerous?

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H.S.L.

February 16, 2007  3:56pm

Sounds like the case of the "Old Wineskin". Very interesting article.

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Former CC-ite

February 16, 2007  3:44pm

Jerry Dodson opined: "In the opening paragraph, the writer states that the average Calvary Chapel pastor is neither Arminian nor Calvinist. Such a statement shows a stunning lack of research on Mr. Moll's part; one must be an ardent Arminian in order to pastor a CC. Furthermore, there is no such thing as someone who is neither Arminian nor Calvinist--it is like saying someone is neither alive nor dead--you have to be one or the other. Sorry, Mr. Moll, but you blew your credibility in your opening paragrah." You, Mr. Dodson, are obviously ignorant of CC doctrine. Mr. Moll stated the truth quite well. Calvary Chapel PRIDES themselves on taking the middle ground in this issue (and in many others). They call themselves "Calminians" -- their version of being "not Arminian and not Calvinistic." They subscribe to what they term a "tension" between two extremes. Mr. Moll spoke correctly. Get educated first before you make inane comments, Mr. Dodson.

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This author should be fired and his publisher disgraced over his sheer journalistic inpetitude and dishonesty.

February 16, 2007  3:42pm

As a member of the journalism world and the church of Christ, this article appalls me. His sources are mostly unnamed, incredible, and unverified. Of course digging up quotes from a slew of disgruntled congregants will result in some dirty laundry! Where's the other side? Where are the quotes from Courson, McClure, and other prominent CC pastors? I personally know of numerous examples where the CC leadership immediately removed pastors and ministry leaders for issues such as immorality, infidelity, and mismanagement-where are those examples? It's a sad reality that these kind of issues exist even within the pastorate, but they plague congregations both large and small across the world. Citing a handful of examples to attack a network of 1000+ fellowships surpasses academic dishonesty and teeters on a biased attack(NB: this is not the first anti-CC article from Mr. Moll). I always hear that Christians need to be proactive in reforming journalism; maybe we need to start from within…

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Dana

February 16, 2007  3:38pm

You know what is the saddest part about this article? If this is the the only dirt that could be scrounged up on Calvary Chapels, it is still light years ahead of the apostacy and bureaucracy in older, more well known denominations.

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anon.

February 16, 2007  3:35pm

This article hits the nail on the head. This kind of stuff has been going on for years, and CC leadership has just looked the other way. Don't get me wrong; CC has done great things and has been instrumental in saving thousands of souls for Christ. But the true repentant heart, which great leaders have and foster in others, is lacking at the highest levels of the (dis)organization.

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Look At The Big Picture!

February 16, 2007  3:30pm

In 1975, my brother was the first one in our family to accept the Lord. Subsequently, my sisters, me and my mom and dad also came to Christ. My sister was the church secretary for Raul Ries. My brother oversees the marriage ministry at a Calvary Chapel and I am now a pastor of a Calvary Chapel in Northern California. I want to say something very clearly: Like every family, there are difficulties. Men are human. People make mistakes. We were born with a propensity for sin. And even in the best family, the best church, the best organization, there are faults and sins that must be addressed. However, I am so blessed with the fellowship of pastors, friends and people within the Calvary Chapel movement. There are thousands of believers that have come to Christ through this ministry. And you know what? There is still an air of simplicity, a desperation for God and a sense of humility within the movement. So I am blessed that God put me in a family like this.Thank you Pastor Chuck

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M.S.

February 16, 2007  3:20pm

Thank you, Rob, for your extensive reporting and well written article on a subject pertinent to the body of Christ. Calvary's issues reflect what is rampant in churches across every denomination, perhaps especially the evangelical arm. Having been part of several Calvary churches, I can attest to both the wonderful way God has used that movement and to the problems within it. I was part of a Calvary where the pastor committed adultery with the secretary--this could have been checked by NOT having him share an office all day alone with a woman and by elders who were qualified to hold him accountable rather than just be his buddies. Especially considering he had fallen in this area before. A lot of the pastors in Calvary come from very worldly backgrounds and perhaps are elevated to leadership too soon...in order to "plug them in" when what they really need is healing and discipleship. And after falling, it should be more like 3-4 years (not months!) before (if) they are restored.

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WanderingStar

February 16, 2007  3:15pm

Every church movement has its faults and in every movement there are countless churches that get broad-brushed by these type of reports. Yes the issues are serious but the article makes no distinction between the good and the bad churches or rather leaders. Making matters worse, you link to the 'Rick Ross Institute' which is run by an angry non-practicing Jew known for his relentless attacks on Christians and Christian churches.

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Tim

February 16, 2007  3:08pm

Thorough article. Interesting.

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Christopher K

February 16, 2007  3:05pm

This is a well done article, and alas, one that I had been expecting for years. We too had an association with CC 15 years ago, but became weary of the unaccountability of the pastor. Not that we knew of anything wrong, nor was it that we disagreed with any teachings, but there was to be no questioning of the pastor! The total authority (Benivolent dictator, as he was described) seemingly was casting a shadow on the light and truth of Jesus Christ. I am saddened, but I guess not surprised that our former pastor is mentioned in the article- this proves the doctrine of the fallen nature of mankind. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I thank the CC movement, however, in the way they showed Jesus Christ to me initially; but to grow and be free in Christ I had to leave; perhaps their time as a movement (OK, denomination - that is what they are) is waning. But they have, in spite of the serious flaws, been used by the Lord mightily. Christopher K

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Corby

February 16, 2007  2:51pm

Now that things are out in the open and "the truth is out" as Marcus puts it, it's important that this situation doesn't turn into an "I told you so" or a "I want my pound of the body of Christ" or a "This church needs to be brought down" situation as so many have called for. As the saying goes, when the body of Christ is broken pray tell, who bleeds? Restoration, correction, healing, and forward movement are needed. Nt scouples.

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Johnny Johnston

February 16, 2007  2:43pm

I was grieved by the article. I have been with Calvary since 1974. For 10 years before that I was a Baptist Pastor. In over 30 years of associating with pastors and people from many Calvarys, I have never met so many pastors passionate about teaching the Bible and manking disciples. One of my sons is now the pastor of Calvary Chapel Santa Cruz, CA. I am fully aware of sins and failures of some pastors and staff members. In every case that I personally know - they have all been dealt with in a Scriptural manner. As far as not being a denomination, I nor any pastor I know has ever received orders from headquarters. Your article was not helpful to correct us. It was condemning, self righteous and filled with innuendos and unidentified sources - I felt that I was reading a gossip column with a condemning tone.Your methodology may be ok among journalists but it is not the way of Jesus and the New Testament. I expect better from C.T.

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Marianne

February 16, 2007  2:39pm

We too have experienced the pain of an immature, inexperienced, insecure huge celebrity pastor from CC do great harm to us. I'm glad it was CT who printed this article however, and not the national newspapers. These matters should be kept in house as much as possible. CC's tend to have an exclusiveness to them so it's likely they'll not give much credence to this article. I'm not sure they read anything outside of their own publications.

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Bill

February 16, 2007  2:38pm

What a hit piece. Very New York times like, but such is the trend even by what used to be a great balanced Christian magizine. ..I'm saddened by such a one sided effort on the part of C T.

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Jacob Lee

February 16, 2007  2:18pm

Thank God the truth is coming out. Now let the healing begin. Jacob Lee

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Former CC'er

February 16, 2007  2:18pm

First, regarding an earlier comment on the author's description of Calvary Chapel as neither Calvinist nor Arminian, this actually demonstrates solid research on the part of the author. The term aptly fits Chuck Smith's own articulation of CC's position. One may question that distinction, but it is an accurate description of their self-professed view. (I would, however, question the curious description of CC as having a "seeker-sensitive church atmosphere.") There is much that is highly commendable about the CC movement: their simplicity of focus, the expositional teaching of Scripture, heart-felt worship of God, being fresh and unbound by tradition without being trendy. Unfortunately, their unbiblical and unhealthy leadership model has sown the seeds of manipulation and abuse. This system is not only unhealthy for the congregations, it is disastrous for the pastors. Many of the comments posted sadly reveal how ingrained is the expectation: never question the pastor.

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K.W. Leslie

February 16, 2007  2:08pm

Sadly, this article confirms everything I've seen in the churches I've attended where the pastor was the sole authority. (Not just in Calvary Chapel, but in nondenominational churches, Assemblies of God churches, Foursquare churches, etc.) The pastors can't handle criticism. Even minor, constructive or corrective comments are treated as if they're open rebellion, or if you're secretly an agent of the devil bent on destroying the church from within. (Note the comment by "Calvary Pastor.") It's even worse when they've been caught red-handed in sin. Such leaders regularly confuse God's anointing with infallibility, and the result is often the sort of pride that God feels obligated to fight.

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Schmidt

February 16, 2007  1:59pm

You who jump up to accuse CT of slander, innacuracies and skewing the facts: What God do you serve? Why do you attack Christian brothers who suggest that Chuck Smith and Calvary Chapel pastors need to be held accountable like anyone else? What is inaccurate? Nothing. Which facts are skewed? There are none. Where is the slander? Point it out. Rob Moll, the editor of this article, is open to hear from any of you with factual, relevant information. If you have any facts which contradict or expose the facts he has presented, please share them. It is not just "a few - very few - disgruntled individuals". A year ago, I edited a website dealing with Calvary Chapel accountability issues. I got hundreds of email messages telling over and over again of yet another abusive situation in a Calvary Chapel church somewhere. Ask yourself some very serious questions. Do I choose to honor God, or Chuck? Is your loyalty to Jesus, or to church leaders?

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bemused

February 16, 2007  1:58pm

this is a sober piece of sound journalism. I know firsthand of an adulterous pastor who short-circuited his restoration and counselling process who was given charge of a Calvary work.This was done with the full knowledge of the "overseeing" regional pastor.The pastor quit on the restoration process and despite being deemed unfit for ministry by the leader overseeing the restoration process was knowingly welcomed with open arms into Calvary leadership. A bazaar state of affairs.

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mike golden

February 16, 2007  1:52pm

Jerry, " one must be an ardent Arminian in order to pastor a CC." WRONG!!!

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Another Calvary Pastor

February 16, 2007  1:51pm

Way to go Rob.... I never trust quotes by people who won't be identified, yet that is almost your entire article. You slanted facts to put them in the worst light possible, some of which I know about first hand. Shameful. I don't know what our Lord thinks of this...we will both find out at the Bema seat.

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Colleen

February 16, 2007  1:38pm

In keeping with the Moses-Model, we would do well to remember that Moses was not allowed to enter the Promised Land with his flock because of his one brief moment of thinking it was all about him. Apparently despite all of Moses' imperfections as well as his undeniable obedience, that particular lapse mattered a great deal to the One to whom Moses was solely accountable.

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Jerry Dodson

February 16, 2007  1:30pm

In the opening paragraph, the writer states that the average Calvary Chapel pastor is neither Arminian nor Calvinist. Such a statement shows a stunning lack of research on Mr. Moll's part; one must be an ardent Arminian in order to pastor a CC. Furthermore, there is no such thing as someone who is neither Arminian nor Calvinist--it is like saying someone is neither alive nor dead--you have to be one or the other. Sorry, Mr. Moll, but you blew your credibility in your opening paragrah.

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David

February 16, 2007  1:26pm

As an outsider to the Calvary Chapel movement yet still a target of their abuse because of differing approaches to preaching and ministry strategies, I have often wondered why a fellow part of the Body of Christ would be so..so...well, mean. In reading this article I am reminded that all churches and movements carry a DNA and this article reveals part of that DNA. The vitriol shared by "jimmy" seems to be just another example of this DNA. I guess I am just like your reporter. I await the divine thwack from God's 2x4 for questioning the Lord's annointed.

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Jasmin

February 16, 2007  1:20pm

Thanks for this article. I hope this will be part of the catylist to change Calvary Chapels for the best.

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John

February 16, 2007  1:20pm

Chuck Smith is as much responsible as any human for me becoming a Christian. In the early 70's he showed me that you can be a believer and use your intelligence as well. He demonstrated love and concern personally to me. This is a sad state of affairs for a once great ministry. We are all human and have clay feet--we do need accountablility.

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Calvary Pastor

February 16, 2007  1:17pm

This article is ridiculous. The writer has skewed the facts to favor the sour-grapes sentiment of a few - very few - disgruntled individuals who were the recipients of church discipline, who then charge the movement with lack of accountability. Huh? The charges of lax discipline regarding sexual misconduct are ludicrous. Christianity Today has put their credibility on the line by publishng this irresponsible slander. Shame on CT for allowing their publication to become a tool for the enemy. What next? Will you warn us about Jesus too? The enemies of God must be rejoicing today.

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jimmy

February 16, 2007  1:14pm

Another great hit piece by Robbie baby and the filthy CT rag, with one on the way from that beacon of morality, The LA Times..you watch, you'll see. Folks, this is how we sell papers, and magazines, and give credibility to Rob, and the Newnham Online Weaselfest. Without Calvary Chapel these clowns maintain their Nobody status. Where has anything like the Calvary movement been tried without some level of corruption? It won't happen, because they have to rely on humans to do it...None of you weasels have a solution to the purported problems that come up in an organization this massive,however I will humbly offer mine..PRAY!! for the strengthening of all of the Calvary's and their leadership.Pray for all of this stuff.. and for God's sake, shut up!!

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Fr. Athanasios Paul

February 16, 2007  1:04pm

I first met Chuck Smith in 1977 while in transition as a pastor of an Adventist Church. He was gracious, "laid back" and accepting. When the newly formed Fellowship began developing around my evangelism I sought spiritual affiliation with Calvary Chapel. Sonrise had the game but not the name. The contemporay cultural reality in which the Jesus Movement grew needs systems of accountability. But it still must be largely based on trust and mutuality of respect between leaders and followers in order to function. Whether a democratic, congregational or hierarchal model they all have examples of failure. My opinion: I praise God for the Moses like leadership model that remains subject to the will of the people and the scrutiny of critical analysis. God bless Pastor Chuck and Calvary Chapel. Though life has moved my ministry on in ways never anticipated back then, once a rock generation preacher, forever a rock generation preacher. Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

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Calvary Pastor

February 16, 2007  1:04pm

This article is ridiculous. The writer has skewed the facts to favor the sour-grapes sentiment of a few - very few - disgruntled individuals who were the recipients of church discipline, who then charge the movement with lack of accountability. Huh? The charges of lax discipline regarding sexual misconduct are ludicrous. Christianity Today has put their credibility on the line by publishng this irresponsible slander. Shame on CT for allowing their publication to become a tool for the enemy. What next? Will you warn us about Jesus too? The enemies of God must be rejoicing today.

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Garrett

February 16, 2007  12:54pm

The article is very accurate and very telling of the reality behind the "line by line" church, Calvary Chapel. The fact that they teach line by line is the only good thing I can say about them. The man that had a pastor trying to break up the man's marriage is not shocking for Calvary Chapel. I had the same thing happen with the first pastor I served with. My wife and I were literally chased around the world by him through his emails to everyone we associated with after him. My wife said that she felt that he was hitting on her. We left, and he attempted to make our lives a living hell. Two other CC stints in different locations showed forth the same ungodly behavior, with character assasination of those who pointed out wrongdoing, and money stolen in other occasions. After those three churches with Calvary Chapel, I'm firmly convinced that they are a cult. You can believe that Jesus is Truth, and yet still act cult-like in how you abuse others. That is the face of CC.

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Charles

February 16, 2007  12:46pm

CT could do its many readers a great service by conducting a COMPLETE story on the entire life and ministry of Chuck Smith, Sr. To our knowledge it has never be done and many of us would deeply appreciate this factual information. Start with his early life ~ and ministry ~ every where he has lived.

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Yes, it's sad

February 16, 2007  12:44pm

I am a pastor in Nebraska, well acquainted with Calvary Chapel. I attended Calvary Costa Mesa for several years after coming to Christ. I had the highest respect for Chuck and others, but in recent years my respect has been diminished. • Skip Heitzig's behavior toward his former church is nothing less than shameful. Even remaining a board member is absurd once a pastor leaves, but Skip clearly had a conflict of interest - the money that CA provided for his radio ministry. • The "affiliation" of Calvary Chapel is very clearly a denomination. In order to affiliate with them you have to subscribe to their beliefs; they will remove churches that do not subscribe to their beliefs; they have an annual pastor's conference limited to Calvary Chapel pastors (at least it was limited in the 90s when I inquired about attending one). Calvary denies they are a denomination, certainly, but their denial doesn't make it any less true.

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Bryan

February 16, 2007  12:41pm

Why is it that we don't see any statements from Kestler or the church in Twin Falls?

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Sheila

February 16, 2007  12:40pm

This article hits the nail on the head. We were a part of CC for almost 14 years, at 3 different churches. A few years ago, the worship leader of the team I was on pursued me sexually. He was fired but went on to lead worship at another Calvary within 2 years--never having acknowledged any wrongdoing. My husband and I tried to meet with his pastor--my emails, phone calls, and letter were never responded to. Also,there were problems with one of the Calvaries with abuse of authority--when I tried to bring this up with a Calvary pastor, my concerns were minimized and it was intimated that I was "gossiping".Instead of dealing with sin in leadership, massive amounts of effort seem to be put into covering up the problems. God has worked it for good in my life in that I see the dangers in blind trust and no accountability in leadership, but I am still recovering from the hurt and betrayal of trust.

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TN Biker Mama

February 16, 2007  12:40pm

So, is this supposed to be shocking? After all, this IS the end times. Satan infiltrates EVERYWHERE, especially the body of Christ. People are people and EVERYONE falls at one time or another. No religion, denomination or "business", for that matter, is without it's problems. Ever consider how much GOOD Calvary has done... how many pastors came from a sinful life and are now serving the Lord faithfully ... how many people have turned their lives over to Christ thanks to Calvary Chapel??? I personally attended a Calvary Chapel for 8 years before I moved to an area where there isn't one. During that time, I grew tremendously in my walk with the Lord, in my relationship with Him and in my bible knowledge. I still watch the services over the internet. I have NO complaints whatsoever. News flash folks: WE LIVE IN A FALLEN WORLD. Judge not lest ye be judged according to the way you judge others. Everyone is accountable for their own actions. Have a blessed day!

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Ted

February 16, 2007  12:32pm

Great article. So many testimonies of such things happening in Calvary Chapels. Everytime their senior pastor gets a whim, he is free to do whatever he wants. Calvary Chapel a cult, and should be avoided.

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sad one

February 16, 2007  12:25pm

I am so sorry this article was written. I am not fan of CC, However this truely must make the heart of God weep. I think people like the blog of the Phoenix Preacher and others who spend their days on a computer telling all what is wrong wth CC and peole like Rick warren should get out from behind the keyboards and do as much for Christ as RickWarren is doing, You dont see him sittng on computer all day pastors talking about people. If I wanted to talk to any of you pastors could i get an appointment or would I be told you were busy and not able to talk . because you spend your day on at blog gossiping all day about your brothers in christ THINK ABOUT IT......

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Marie Marie

February 16, 2007  12:24pm

CT - A POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK

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christine

February 16, 2007  12:24pm

The enemy is crafty. The more the enemy can keep divisive issues including lawsuits and accounting and chairs in a cirlcle and who should be in charge, the less we focus on our Saviour. 1Corinthians 10:33-11-1 " even as I try to please everybody in every way,. For I am not seeking my own ..gotta go now

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Beverly

February 16, 2007  12:19pm

Calvary Chapel's greatest issue (for our family, anyway) was the lack of accountability. The pastor could arbitrarily make changes, and we had to deal with it. No questions. When our pastor fired the entire worship team because he said he "heard from God" and had to make changes, we felt as though we had been hit by a bus. There were no misdeeds, no problems; we were practicing and playing every Sunday and Wednesday. What was our crime? Supposedly, it was that he (the pastor) had no control. He built up a new team, full of people he liked. No accountability. No board to speak of (the other pastors were the only board members, and they were all "yes men"). What's a churchgoer to do? Oh, and to say it's not a denomination is hooey. It's a denomination because every little Calvary is subject to the whims of Big Calvary (Costa Mesa).

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mad

February 16, 2007  11:49am

One more thing to all those pastors out there who are serving the Lord...Rob Moll may come for you also after you have faithfully served Christ for 6 decades. Rob Moll called Chuck Smith and asked him if it was true that Chuck was having an affair... Chuck Smith mentioned this in a Bible study a few months ago. What I find amazing about this is that Chuck has served faithfully for forty years here without a hint of personal immorailty and a reporter calls and asks him if he is an adulterer and then tells Chuck that he had heard that Chuck was. Rob, if you are reading this, I hope that all who read this hatchet job know of your agenda. To link to Rick Ross also is an abomination considering that he thinks all of Christianity is a cult.

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I'm sad too...

February 16, 2007  11:49am

I am sad for what I read here, for it is a black eye to the body of Christ. I pray and hope that God will use this to prune the part of the body called Calvary Chapel, that one day truly nothing bad said about this movement, and not because of some massive cover-up or intimidation. But because the sin has been removed from the camp and everyone in the movement is chasing hard after Jesus. By the way, Calvary Chapel isn't the only part of the body with these issues. Many Christians seem to want to cover them up or ignore them altogether. That is how minor things like this article on CC (minor thus far) get written up and major scandals ala Bakker and Swaggart happen. The world laughs or smirks, sees this as confirmation of their its thoughts about Christianity, and moves on in its darkness.

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Brent

February 16, 2007  11:37am

So similar to my experience with three CC pastors in the last ten years...authoritarianism, ostracizing followers, drug and sexual abuse, manipulation of church funds for personal gain and a lack of accountability... Thank God for the expose (as the only way to healing is to shine a light on the problem(s) and earnestly pray for offenders to repent and be healed)!

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Sad

February 16, 2007  11:34am

I'm sad to see that Rob Moll has now been allowed to publish his third negative story on Calvary Chapel in less than a year. The story itself is completely one sided...Every movement of the Lord has had issues and the bigger that the movement becomes the more the likelihood that problems exist. Moll cannot have it both ways, many times he says that Calvarys are unaccountable but then he notes numerous people who have been asked to leave the movement due to their sin. Since when did allegations against a pastor on staff become news? Paul was accused of crimes against Rome but were they true? To suggest that a pastor at Calvary Chapel is a pedophile when the police make it clear that he did absolutely nothing illegal is simply scandalous reporting. It is along the line of the National Enquirer, yet it is coming from CT. Very few named sources, the ones that you do mention like Jeff Scheller have a serious ax to grind...What has happened to your fine magazine?

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jody

February 16, 2007  11:13am

Great article. Hopefully leaders will be humbled and will choose to become transparent so we can deal with these issues as one body.

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Jim

February 16, 2007  11:00am

A sad commentary. More sad, perhaps, is that the Calvary chapel movement has been so influential on the evangelical church, which, in many areas now suffers from similar problems of pastoral abuse and moral laxity. It's not just Calvary Chapel, sorry to say...

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Marcus

February 16, 2007  10:26am

Good to see the abuses happening at Calvary Chapels are being openly revealed, so that the Body of Christ can see what is going on. Many have suffered for years in Calvary Chapels, and now the truth is out.

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