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WASHINGTON — In a 2006 speech here, then-Sen. Barack Obama said Jesus' Sermon on the Mount was so "radical" the Defense Department wouldn't survive its application. Earlier this month, the new president suggested the economy couldn't get along ...

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May 07, 2009  7:09am

The way Obama misrepresents the sermon on the mount shows rather explicitly that he does not read the bible, nor understand its message correctly. Rather he makes some vague references to a bible story to try and convince people he is something that he clearly is not. his policies speak much louder then any half attempt at a bible reference in a speech

Dave Wilson

May 04, 2009  5:55am

If folks like Russell D. Moore, dean of the school of theology of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, think that Obama is reading and talking about the Bible simply because he quotes it in a speech, I'm afraid they're sadly mistaken. Political speech writers, especially those for Obama, are very calculated in the words and phrases they use... and their placement and timing in speeches and policy discussions. Having been in the field of political public relations for years now, I know it's no mistake that Obama referenced the Lord's sermon on the Mount in a dry economic policy speech. The Biblical reference has done two things... 1) it's stretched Jesus' principle of building on the rock (of God as our foundation) to a seemingly logical interpretation to economic policy (which many a pastor has done), and 2) it's swayed many to believe yet again that an insertion of a Bible reference denotes spiritual motive and intent on Obama's part. Sadly, I don't believe it was.


May 04, 2009  5:46am

Bruce said it all, Brother.


May 03, 2009  9:55pm

How dare you all ridicule President Obama use of Scripture. For 400 years white people have misused the Scriptures, telling black folks lies. The problem lies in the fact white people think they own the Bible and Yeshua. Black people are learning they were first in the Bible, and you all treated blacks like dirt. Your power over us is ended. It hurts you all to see God has placed a black man to head. So don't talk about the Bible when you all have misused the Bible over and over. We are not your slaves anymore, we are free Praise God. Neither do we hold a grudge because it was purpose by Yah, but stop acting holy and mightier.

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Bruce Felder

May 03, 2009  10:11am

Let's review the bigger picture. Obama told the muslim world that we are NOT a Christian nation. He wants to corrupt that "obscure" passage about marriage being between a man and a woman. He wants to remove all restrictions to murder of babies. His socialist/facist goals corrupt the social welfare of the church by forcibly taking money from one to give to another, while disallowing tax credits for charity. He has grown government to levels exceeding everything our Founders could have dreamed. He places himself and government above faith, as the ultimate answer to all things. As far as i know, he has never called for prayer, never offered thanksgiving to God, or publically yielded himself humbly and acknowledged his allegiance to God in any way. Of course other than familiar sound bites that he tosses out to the media, to reassure the masses so they will ignore how how the water in the kettle seems to be getting. Many make professions tho Christ will say get away i never knew you.

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May 01, 2009  10:28am

I also remeber seeing Obama say Jesus' teachings on the Sermon on the Mount were too radical for us and if we followed His teachings we would be foolish. Obama is a phony who hides behind facades to get his personal agenda across to an ignorant America

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April 30, 2009  4:06pm

What a bunch of hypocrites. Most Christians can tell you about the birth of Jesus and the Cross. Seems that is all they know. It is as if they have never read(and God forbid) applied any of Jesus teachings about how to live while he was here.

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April 29, 2009  3:08pm

I found this the reference to Obama’s biblical argument against detractors of same-sex unions to be cryptic. First off, it seems as if the question whether or not homosexuality is a sin and whether or not they should be permitted with same-sex unions are separate questions. Condemning homosexuality doesn’t necessarily require one to also be against civil unions between same-sex couples. My second issue was with Obama’s claim that the Sermon on the Mount should silence his detractors. Is this because the Sermon on the Mount directly condones homosexuality? This seems unlikely. Perhaps then Obama is using the reference to the Sermon on the Mount simply to silence his detractors by suggesting that the mere act of criticizing homosexuality is condemned by the values of the Sermon on the Mount. If this is the case, then I would suggest that this may be an act of intimidation. It is unclear.

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April 29, 2009  7:54am

This article is a dangerous one at best. It is far bigger than Mr. O. It is an example of how Satan is succeeding in his task to further water down Christianity and present Jesus Christ as something he is not. What's up is down and what's down is up. Mr. O and many others are just pawns in this game and nothing more. This only has power if Christians buy into it. I guess it demonstrates just how weakened American Christianity is. There are millions of people around the world risking their lives to convert to Christianity. Here we applaud someone who vaguely references a teaching of scripture while failing to acknowledge the teacher and insisting that the name of that teacher be covered up as to not associate himself with that teacher. It reminds me of parents and teachers applauding children reading Harry Potter books that are riddled with occult teachings because - at least they're reading something. Christianity Today should be more discerning.

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April 29, 2009  1:17am

Obama seems to have forgotten one of the most important parts of the Bible. The Commandment against killing the innocent. When unborn children are being torn apart limb by limb in the womb (and they do have limbs in the womb); or their skins burned by saline injections that finally enter their mouth and poisons and burns them to death; or are partially birthed, a pair of sugical scissors stuck in the back of their heads and their brains sucked out while still alive and without anesthetic as in "partial birth abortion", what does it matter that he quotes the Sermon on the Mount. He could not even vote to protect children who survive abortion and some have and do. And don't tell me about war and torturing prisoners when unborn children are tortured to death every day in this country. Thousands more than all the victims in the Iran war. President Obama and those like him have not a CLUE as to what the Sermon on the Mount includes. I pray God opens their eyes and changes their hearts.

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April 29, 2009  12:00am

And the devil can quote scripture. There is more to faith then mere words. BO and his speech writers can turn a nice phrase but it is all form and no substance. BO wil use whatever he can to advance his own agenda. Simply because he can quote scripture does not make him a Christian. the fact that he supports the murder of innocents speaks volumes about his true character and is a glaring example that he is not Christian or for that matter has a religious point of view.

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April 28, 2009  10:19pm

obama has alot of nerve citing anything from the Bible! Perhaps someone should explain to him the meaning of the word "hypocrite"! If he really believed in the Bible, he woldn't be pushing his pro-murder agenda as quickly as he can. He is totally unworthy of any respect. If I were him, I would be afraid to quote from the Bible. I would be afraid that the lightening bolt would hit me quicker than I could get the words out. Then again, he must not be afraid of much, being that he can walk on water and all.

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Stephen Brown

April 28, 2009  9:47pm

Obama put his faith in a different book and follows a different path. Check out "Rules for Radicals", written by Saul Alinski. Learn about this and you will know the real Obama.

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April 28, 2009  2:57pm

........With nothing to lose but their own and their families starvation. And Nazism was thwarted. But not before the Red Army took their revenge on the devastated three front Germans/Nazis and their constituants , whether pro-Nazi or not. They were all lumped into the movement and reprisals took place for the crimes of the Germans against Russian Citizenry. They were brutal towards their prisoners and the general populace both.....I'll leave it to your imagination. My mother who was two years younger than her older conscripted brother was shipped off into the country with her younger sister to get her out of the city and the Russians whims. Years later, my Uncle laughs at his fellow contemporary Austrians, all who claim that they were not one of the more than one million in attendance at Hitlers coming out party in the central plaza and district streets that infamous day when he was greeted as conquering liberator. ..Sometimes history has a way of repeating itself. Beware.

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April 28, 2009  2:40pm

John, I know someting of Nazism and the movement. When Hitler annexed Austria in 1938 I believe, my 15 year old uncle who was to become a prisoner of war by the Russians by the time the war had finsished (for 4yrs. after the end of the war) was at a central plaza in Vienna when Hitler took the podium and addressed the Austrian people. They greeted him as a liberator and great political leader. My Uncle told me tales about their adoration and appreciation of the facist Nazi German movement incorporating the Austrian people into a seamless Nazi Europeanism. My Uncle had no choice in his political persuasion, he was conscripted with no choice a few years later into the German-Austo Army and shiped off near the Eastern front in Russia in 42'. It was pretty much already over by then. But then he was taken prisoner when they could not get permission to give up the benign seige-offensive when the Russians kept them out with wave after wave of soldiers with nothing to lose ................

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April 28, 2009  2:40pm

John, I know someting of Nazism and the movement. When Hitler annexed Austria in 1938 I believe, my 15 year old uncle who was to become a prisoner of war by the Russians by the time the war had finsished (for 4yrs. after the end of the war) was at a central plaza in Vienna when Hitler took the podium and addressed the Austrian people. They greeted him as a messiah and great political leader. My Uncle told me tales about their adoration and appreciation of the facist Nazi German movement incorporating the Austrian people into a seamless Nazi Europeanism. My Uncle had no choice in his political persuasion, he was conscripted with no choice a few years later into the German-Austo Army and shiped off near the Eastern front in Russia in 42'. It was pretty much already over by then. But then he was taken prisoner when they could not get permission to give up the benign seige-offensive when the Russians kept them out with wave after wave of soldiers with nothing to lose ..................

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April 28, 2009  2:39pm

John, I know someting of Nazism and the movement. When Hitler annexed Austria in 1938 I believe, my 15 year old uncle who was to become a prisoner of war by the Russians by the time the war had finsished (for 4yrs. after the end of the war) was at a central plaza in Vienna when Hitler took the podium and addressed the Austrian people. They greeted him as a messiah and great political leader. My Uncle told me tales about their adoration and appreciation of the facist Nazi German movement incorporating the Austrian people into a seamless Nazi Europeanism. My Uncle had no choice in his political persuasion, he was conscripted with no choice a few years later into the German-Austo Army and shiped off near the Eastern front in Russia in 42'. It was pretty much already over by then. But then he was taken prisoner when they could not get permission to give up the benign seige-offensive when the Russians kept them out with wave after wave of soldiers with nothing to lose ..................

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April 28, 2009  10:55am

Dan, Using your reasoning, Christians in Nazi Germany would have to support the ruling authority because of Romans Chapter 13 and to speak out against the Hitler administration would be wrong because after all the sermon on the mount and that peace making/love thy neighbor stuff only applies to individuals… Here is an alternative view: our government should ideally represent us and act on our behalf. That is the reasoning behind the anti- Iraq war slogan, “NOT IN OUR NAME”. In many evangelical churches before the Iraq war began it seemed the slogan was “IT’S NOT MY JOB TO THINK ABOUT IT…GEORGE BUSH IS GOD’S MAN…”. Your reasoning smacks of situational ethics that the bad ole libruls are always accused of having.

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April 28, 2009  10:19am

You have got to be kidding me. You think Obama really cares about Christianity? He cares about getting his collective ideas into law and he will use anything, Muslim, Jewish, Christianity, Lincoln, whatever; but he will also spin it to his advantage. Get real.

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April 27, 2009  9:49pm

I'm not defending Presdent Obama, but he not any worse than other presidents who have quoted scripture. George W. Bush, our most evangelical president, was quite fond of using scripture. And President Bush, was responsible for the needless deaths of hundred of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and the displacement of millions of others from their homes-don't recall the negative comments about his use of scripture. Also, sorry to offend the sensibilities of right-wing authoritarian followers, but if you read the scriptures at face value, Jesus and his early followers would be more comfortable with members of ACORN than the Family Research Council.

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George T.

April 27, 2009  7:52pm

Alas !! A President who publicly and without fear of others holds and refers to the Bible as the ultimate and uncorruptible truth. Whether in politics as in private !!

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April 27, 2009  6:10pm

The Sermon on the Mount addressed individuals, not governments. We are supposed to be charitable with our own property, not use government to force others to give what & to whom they otherwise would not. We are supposed to turn the other cheek as individuals (rather than demand our rights when we are living under grace); our government is supposed to protect us from enemies. Leave it to Obama and the Left to conflate the two, to justify their vision of expansive government.

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Mark W

April 27, 2009  4:11pm

Obama's "progressive" interpretation of Christianity???? Please. What's progressive about it? Is it progressive that he uses the words of Christ for his own ends?

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April 27, 2009  12:34pm

The irony about this article is that it fails to mention the subtle, & disturbing fact that Obama's Administraition asked & received permission from Georgetown University to cover up the initials IHS, a reference to Jesus Christ, The King. How hypocritical is it for this arrogant man whom many ignorant catholics voted for to not only endorse abortion on an un-heard of scale, but to openly use Our Lord's Sermon on The Mount for his own political agendas while insisting on covering up His Sacred Name & Title at a Catholic Institution no doubt. Now he's going to do it at Notre Dame! Catholics, Acta Non Verba (Deeds Not Words)!!!

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April 27, 2009  12:27pm

What about when Christ said 'What you do to the least of my little ones you do to me'?

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Steve Z

April 27, 2009  11:40am

With his reckless spending and printing money, Obama is building on the sands of wishful thinking, rather than relying on the rock of responsible homeowners and business owners who pay their debts. In the same chapter, Jesus says "Beware of false prophets who come in sheep's clothing...So by their fruits you will know them." Obama likes to cherry-pick about this one: "If a man shall lie with a man as with a woman, it is an abomination before the Lord". Or when Jesus said, "Suffer the little children to come unto Me", Obama wants to kill them before, or sometimes after, they are born. A day will come when Obama's chickens will come home to roost.

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April 27, 2009  11:23am

A sermon on Washington hill maybe, but far from a sermon on the mount it's a joke to compare.

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April 27, 2009  11:01am

these "references" are ridiculous. they don't directly add any credibility to his points. he's simply borrowing a well understood analogy to drive home his completely unrelated agenda. big. freakin'. deal.

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Bill Sr.

April 27, 2009  10:51am

After spending 20 years listening to Jerimiah Wright we can be sure Obama has a "religious point of view". The question is, What religion and what point of view? Over the years there have been full time religous "leaders" in our land who have lead well meaning Christians to death and destruction. So a man's ability to quote chapter and verse and mix them into his rhetoric politically or religiously can not be a measure of his devotion or sencerity. Buyer be aware!

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April 27, 2009  10:26am

Bill- Is the cool-aid tasty? Why is it that everytime someone points out the evil associated with this administration's, or any politician's, support for policies that have resulted in the mass-killing of 50 million innocent children in this country alone, someone else thinks it smart to counter with reference to the latest war? We would all be better off without all wars, but that has never been the state of humanity throughout recorded history. By way of contrast, mass abortion on demand is an invention of the last several decades. In that short time, it has taken more innocent lives worldwide (500,000,000+) than all of the wars of the last hundred years combined. In any event, if a moderately intelligent human being cannot distinguish between war and the practice of abortion, i.e. the intentional killing of an unborn child, then they are just plain lying to themselves and God. Keep drinking, Bill.

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April 27, 2009  10:14am

Maybe Mr. Obama should consider the scripture, "you can not serve both God and money. You will either love one and hate the other". Bringing high spiritual ideals into the political realm on economic speeches is folly, bordering on ludicrous, if not worse.

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April 27, 2009  10:04am

Susan, Are your prayers also with the thousands of innocents butchered in the so-called war on terrorism?

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tracy q

April 27, 2009  9:40am

Alan got it right. Matthew 7:15 says, Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. we SHOULD be disgusted by these fake sheep, we're also commanded to love them too. but for the grace of Jesus Christ WE would be like them, so don't get up too high on your horse, we're just as much of a sinner as they are. AJ, you need to step back and think is the one who put Obama in office. Daniel 2:21 - He changes times and seasons; he sets up kings and deposes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning. read Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. Proverbs 21:1 says, the king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases. SO, only God knows the heart, only God can judge. we need to be educated about our leadership and act and vote accordingly. and isn't a slap in the face a chance to feel like Jesus? wasn't he beaten and crucified for YOU? time to focus yall, Jesus Christ IS coming back!!

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John Hardy

April 27, 2009  5:35am

To David and AJ, can I suggest "judge not that ye be not judged", and the scriptural imperative to pray for those in power regardless of who they are? "Arrogant Jackass" is also maybe a bit close to "Raca"??

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April 26, 2009  11:09pm

My goodness...the hate in some of the comments posted here is dreadful. You may not agree with our President's policies but only God has the right to judge his state of grace. Thankfully God is gracious in a way that most posting here are not. I did not agree with President Bush as far as policy was concerned but nonetheless he is still my brother in Christ. Most here still have a hard time distinguishing between the Kingdom of God and the USA.

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April 26, 2009  4:31pm

Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life,no man comes to the Father ,but by me" John 14:6 but obama says we are not a christian nation. I am disgusted with wolves in sheeps clothing! Its like having a young Jimmy Carter again! God help us get through the next years.

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Jerry Masters

April 26, 2009  2:43pm

There is not one single Scripture in the Bible that is "obscure". And the Scriptures also say that "every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord over all". That includes our obscure president. I just hope he sees the light and sees that he is not above God in any way, even though he appears to think he is. Trying to be humble to our enemies is kind of like David going up and begging Goliath to please stand still and let him try to hit him with a slingshot. What a joke we have in this present administration. Stand back and see the Salvation of the Lord on this country. It's coming folks and it's not going to be fun. You ain't seen nothing yet, trials and tribulations are on there way, big time.

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Greg Toombs

April 26, 2009  2:07pm

At Georgetown, as elsewhere, I believe Obama was simply continuing his pandering to those who want to project their own desires on his vague statements, so they may support their delusion that he is a man of their particular interpretation of faith. Obama also spoke of building the economic foundation on rock, but that the rock would also be supported by Five Pillars. Aside from making a strange rhetorical and mental picture, I think it's possible that may have been a nod to Muslims. I didn't hear any references I would take to be an acknowledgment to Jews, though. Too bad, then everybody could lay claim to Obama's blessing. As for me, I'll stick to The Bible and prayer. I would no more place Obama in a position of spiritual exaltedness or expectation than I would any Roman politician of Jesus' day.

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Avis Ward

April 26, 2009  2:21am

A very interesting article. What's just as interesting are the comments. It may be obvious after my comments that this is the first time I've participated at Christianity Today. While the ignorant are very expressive, it appears they live in glass houses, too. I find it appalling for Christians to behave more like faux-Christians. Where is the tolerance? Christ tolerated sinners not the sin. He did not withhold His love from us because of our sinful nature. What's wrong with praying, encouraging, uplifting, and edification? Why berate and belittle someone or belligerence? And I remind us, Obama is not the one in control. Obama does not have Supernatural Power. It would do us all good if we were to show our Creator that we can follow His second commandment. "Love one another." Perhaps if we united, the One with the Supernatural Power would move supernaturally on behalf of this beloved country, even though we're undeserving. He's like that, you know? Well, He is!

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Dale Skinner

April 26, 2009  1:31am

The Messiah sits in a bigoted, hate-filled church for twenty years and claims to know scripture. His only knowledge is the distorted teachings of Jeremiah Wright.

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John Majkrzak

April 25, 2009  11:08pm

I could see a liberal use the peacemaker reference in a speech supporting homosexual unions but it seems too flimsy for a debate. Soldiers are often referred to as peacemakers as they are put into action to end a disruption of peace and as peacekeepers when the need is to prevent an escalation of tension. If the intent is to grant blessings onto someone who holds their tong and thereby becoming a peacemaker through their silence even though they have opposition to homosexuality, that’s just sad to think it may sometimes work but I believe referencing Jesus sermon gives glory to God EVERY time.

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April 25, 2009  5:22pm

Nice to see an article about President Obama's Christianity... I have always maintained that Evangelicals tend to "cherry pick' their causes. Refreshing to hear that President Obama get's it. One could do with a lot worse than a President that publicly recognizes the profound message of the Surmon on the Mount.

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April 25, 2009  11:02am

I have to agree with you Christopher, and not just because of your name. =) But just because you throw a couple Scripture references in a speech, that most likely he didn't write, doesn't make you some Bible scholar or God-fearing politician. It is simply a smart way to approach a situation, or make the evangelical happy. Put in a Bible verse and all of a sudden, this guys amazing! Wrong....he's smart sure, but my Bible is Truth from front to back, not just where it fits your lifestyle.

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Brent Vermillion

April 25, 2009  10:55am

Obama is completely ignorant regarding appropriate biblical interpretation. He constantly takes Jesus words out of context and applies them dangerously. Jesus who gave us the Law of Moses and the Sermon on the Mount does not condone same-sex relations. Yet this foolish man thinks that he can take Jesus words and twist them to mean anything. The said thing is that not enough christians can either see this or care enough about it to say anything. I truly doubt that the Obama's are biblical christians. Why? because true christians don't just say they are and cite Bible verses. They actually live what Jesus taught. Obama supports same-sex relationships, abortion and many other anti-christian ideas. Is he a Christian? NO!

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April 25, 2009  10:34am

I would like our president to release photos or a video of a full term or LIVE partial birth abortion and show the people of this country what REAL barbarians we are. I pray for repentance and that God will forgive us for this continued mass murder of innocent human life. Even in the early weeks of a pregnancy, we are killing and our president is a wolf in sheep's clothing as all of them are who misuse the sayings of Jesus for their own power and gain. There is applause in hell as the killer doctors and supporters continue making millions of dollars to keep this holocaust going. This says everything to me about ones so called love for God or humanity.

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April 24, 2009  11:13pm

Obama destroyed the economy? In less than three months one man destroyed our economy. That is an ignorant statement. Had McCain won we could not have blame him for this economy, other than his 100% support of supply side, trickle up economics. Raise your taxes? Right up there where Reagan had them. Take your healthcare? Obviously you have not been paying attention to how many of our fellow citizens don't have health care because of the cost. As for Obama being a Christian, he is the only president in modern history that I have ever heard make the statement; "Jesus Christ died for my sins." In most Christian circles I that is a public profession of faith. Only God knows a man's heart, but I believe his confession goes beyond Christ being a person's favorite philosopher. I never judged Bush on his claim to be a Christian, but I have one question for the Christians of his administration, Who would Jesus torture?

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April 24, 2009  11:08pm

Obama's only slightly more Biblically literate than the average politician, so he comes across much smoother than (say) John Kerry did. Dismissing Romans because it doesn't fit what he wants his religion to be like is not a sign of faith in anyone but himself though. I wouldn't call President Obama a jackass, but he's certainly very full of himself and astonishingly arrogant.

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April 24, 2009  9:47pm

Somehow I don't get the feeling that mr. obama is reading the Bible. He just uses it when convenient. The article doesn't mention that he had the college cover all Christian symbols before he gave said speech. That tells more than a few quotes in prepared speeches.

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April 24, 2009  5:59pm

Maybe God will make him slip up and quote from the Koran instead next time. As already mentioned--Satan knows the scriptures and his flunky anti-Christ junior B.O. is no different.

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April 24, 2009  5:35pm

Matthew 5 23"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. I have something against Obama - he's destroyed the economy, put family members out of work, called me bitter, racist & greedy. He's trying as hard as he can to raise my taxes, raise inflation, and take away my healthcare. So until he comes to be reconciled, he has claim to be the righteous man of whom Jesus spoke,

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April 24, 2009  4:26pm

It would be helpful if this author made it more clear how Mr. Obama sees the Sermon on the Mount as supporting homosexuality.

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Fred in Omaha

April 24, 2009  4:16pm

Whoa, forgive us Lord! What is it about this President's personal life, his love of wife and children, his discipline, his grace under fire, his calmness under pressure and his humility on the world stage that would cause a brother to call him an arrogant jackass? Moore is right. Disagreement or being evangelically, politically incorrect is not cause for the exemption of Grace. I am so grateful that my Grace lies with the One who walked among us, not those who insist on a conservative political orthodoxy.

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Adam S

April 24, 2009  3:55pm

And calling an elected leader of the US an "Arrogant Jackass" is an example of someone that takes their bible seriously? I think that Obama was taking @j edward's position of taking another place in scripture to illustrate meaning. I am not saying he necessarily did it right but you have to do better than compare Obama to satan to claim that he is not using scripture correctly.

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April 24, 2009  3:45pm

Benevolence is a biblical, christian, and local church mandate. However, use appropriate passages--such as Acts 6, which answers why? and 1 Timothy 5, which answers how? Otherwise, its an exercise in the fallacy of prooftext.

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j edward

April 24, 2009  3:35pm

Even the devil knows scripture -- might recall that he tested/tempted Jesus with bits of scripture. The problem was that the devil misused and misinterpreted the passages -- Christ had to set the devil straight -- and He did it brilliantly using other clarifying passages. The Bible is an amazing and inspired work of God. Like AJ, I take the bible seriously and am distressed by the distortion of passages taken out of context to push personal opinion or agenda.

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April 24, 2009  3:19pm

Utter garbage. The man is a unitarian at best and is most likely an atheist. When he distorts biblical passages into sentimentalist pap in support of his political ideology it is a slap in the face to anyone who takes the bible seriously. Arrogant jackass.

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