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In the Iowa caucuses of 1976, The New York Times reported on the surprising impact of a new force in American politics. This force propelled a relative unknown to victory in Iowa and eventually earned him the nomination of his party. The candidate ...

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Paul Schryba

December 02, 2012  9:10pm

With respect to Saul Alinsky, the political 'right' uses him as well. 'Freedom Works', a tea party group, uses Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' to train its organizers. [http://www.freedomworks.org/news/albanys-freedomworks-manager-trains-group ] "FreedomWorks is the best in the business at grassroots organizing."—Glenn Beck, conservative radio and TV personality [http://www.freedomworks.org/about/about-freedomworks] So it is not just liberals who use a 'satanist'. And speaking of secular humanism, many in the political/religious right (including Paul Ryan) were influenced by the atheist Ayn Rand and her own brand of 'secular humanism. So it would seem that atheistic 'secular humanism' has its claws in the conservatives as well as the liberals.

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Claire Guest

November 06, 2012  12:52am

Jon, I've had the same thought as you about over-posting. But I do need to clear up some false accusations here: I've never said that Obama's mother and grandmother were communists - his mother and grandFATHER were staunch communists and reared him to idolize communists. Frank Marshall Davis was one such major Communist influence. Another false accusation is that Fox News has anything to do with my posts - in FACT, I am not a FN watcher. BTW - speaking of pejoratives, I have noticed that Fox News IS used OFTEN in a pejorative way in the very same manner as you use it - to dismiss information which is TRUE and VITAL to our nation's future. I know you'll find a way to heap scorn on that fact, but it IS a clear and undeniable fact. ALSO, you just love to play that "South card", don't you? There has been much-needed investigation into dead voters voting, people voting more than once, etc, in MANY states, including CO, NV, and IL (and more). Give that falsely biased card a rest, man.

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Claire Guest

November 05, 2012  10:58pm

Jon, it is a clear, proven fact that Saul Alinsky cited Satan as his role model - nothing anyone can say about that can change that fact. It is also a fact that Alinsky has been a role model for Bill Ayers, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama. This is not using Alinsky's name as a "pejorative" - it's just a fact.

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KEVIN ANDERSON

November 05, 2012  6:45pm

The two candidates amazingly agree on the following: NDAA, Patriot Act, American military presence in the Middle East, Aggressive American interference in foreign affairs, Keeping the Fed, Maintaining the bloated & wasteful military budget, Oil drilling on Federal lands, (Not) reducing US dependence on oil, Keystone XL pipeline, No Single Payer universal health insurance coverage, Drone strikes, Prosecuting Wall St Bankers (there hasn't been any), Corporate personhood, LE harassment of medical marijuana users, Not raising the minimum wage, Wiretapping, Gtmo bay

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Jon Trott

November 05, 2012  6:08pm

Folks who cite the names of other folks in the same pejorative way they say "commie pinko" or "Muslim" leave me shaking my head. I learned this lesson myself decades ago when I used to use "Soren Kierkegaard" as a phrase for someone who had entered the realm of the irrational. Turns out once I read Kierkegaard I found someone not only deeply thoughtful but also a spiritual mentor. Not suggesting Saul Alinsky is equivalent to Soren Kierkegaard... but I strongly suspect he's not Satan's little helper, either. There are a lot of thoughtful people in the world who, even if they are wrong on many things, may just also know something deeply right. And to quote someone else, "That's all I'm going to say about that."

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J Thomas

November 05, 2012  5:41pm

Trott, the racism stuff just doesn't work on people who are not racists. It has no power. You might want to re-think the Alinskyite tactic of just demonizing the people you disagree with. Alinsky was, after all, an advocate of Satan as a role model. The "demonization" tactic kind of fits in with that pretty well, don't you think?

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Jon Trott

November 05, 2012  1:59pm

I've tried not to over-post here... hard to do with the fact-free posting a few folk insist on doing (one author's massive numbers of misdirecting posts in every thread having anything to do with the election). So... Obama's mother and grandmother were communists, eh? Let's see. Ah... that would be NO. I mean, for those of us who don't take Dinesh D'Souza's 2016: Obama's America movie as fact... and that would be most people capable of rational thought. And let me just cut to the chase, since I won't be believed anyway (FOX News Nation in full effect?). All of the "othering" language of the Right toward President Obama, from "foreign to America" (Romney's labeling) to "communist" to "Muslim" to "Black Liberation disciple" are all about race. Those who do not learn from history are indeed condemned to repeat it. Go to a map. Look up the geographic boundaries of the following: (1) Confederacy, (2) Bible Belt, (3) States in 2012 passing voter suppression laws. See the connection?

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Ted Hewlett

November 05, 2012  1:49pm

I have not had an opportunity to read Swartz's book, but I wonder if it deals with the present stance of the "Evangelical left" on the crucial matters of abortion, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage. Opposition to participation in war, and to particular unjust wars, and support for government aid to the poor, can be justified from a Biblical stance, but support of abortion, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage are different matters. Can someone who has read Swartz's book summarize what he has to say about the stance of the "Evangelical left" on those matters?

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Claire Guest

November 04, 2012  11:37pm

Wayne F, you'll be waiting a VERY long time for any such ludicrous comparision to be made (I hope you're not holding your breath), for there's only contrast -- NOT ONE THING Obama has done compares with the early church, apostles, and certainly not Christ Jesus. For you to even suggest such a thing tells me that you have seriously made an idol of Obama, and cannot see him as he really is.

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Claire Guest

November 04, 2012  3:59am

J Thomas, I totally, 100% agree with you: FEAR is the modus operandi of the Democrats, who, knowing they cannot defend anything Obama has done, have gone after Romney with a vengeance, seeking to paint him (as other Republicans) as a monster, blaming him for deaths he had nothing to do with, saying he will rob older people of MediCare, etc. ALL of this is a smokescreen which they obviously desperately hope will keep Americans from really noticing what atrocious things Obama has done to the American economy over the last four years.

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Claire Guest

November 04, 2012  3:54am

Jon, not ONE thing I've posted has come from Fox News. Neither has it come from the MSM, whose anchors gushed over Obama in 2008, saying such things as "He is like God looking down over the world", saying they "got chills up their legs when he spoke", and dubbing him the "new Messiah". If they had vetted him as thoroughly as they do Republicans, all the things I listed would be common knowledge instead of having been withheld from the American public. Do you really NOT know that his mother and maternal grandfather (who reared him) were staunch Communists? Do you really NOT know that his mentors then and later have been Communists? Do you really NOT know about Black Liberation Theology and how it has affected his church and pastor? If not, sir, you need to do due diligence, unlike your chosen media moguls.

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J Thomas

November 04, 2012  12:04am

As for "fear" being the "most effective way to get out the vote", we'll see about that. Because Obama's campaign has been all about making people afraid of Mitt Romney. "He's coming after your uterus! Run!", "He's going to let you get raped and then make you keep the baby! Run!", He's going to steal all of your money and then when your wife gets cancer, he's just going to let her die! Run!", "He's racist! Run!", "He's an evil capitalist! Run!", "He's going to push your grandma off a cliff! Run!", "He's one of those creepy Mormons! Run!", etc., etc., ad infinitum. We'll see if it works. We'll see if Obama scared people enough to win the election.

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J Thomas

November 03, 2012  11:58pm

Wayne, Snopes, Politifact, and "fact check" are all left wing sources. Of course they're going to pettifog the issue.

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Wayne Froese

November 03, 2012  11:20pm

Fear is the most effective way to get out the vote. People want to vote against something. Snopes, fact check, and politifact all are not sold on Obama being a Marxist or a socialist. I am waiting for the early Church and apostles and Christ to be called Marxist next.

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J Thomas

November 03, 2012  2:49pm

Trott, you need to provide some evidence. Media Matters is a far left wing propaganda machine and is not to be taken seriously. It's well-established that Obama grew up steeped in Communist influence. I see that you neglected to address Black Liberation Theology, which is arguably no further a bridge than Mormonism. BLT is a Marxist incarnation by design, and perverts the gospel for those ends. Also, it seems that you are the only person seeing race in this discussion. Maybe its time for a little introspection on your part rather than trying to slander someone else as a racist when you have no proof of such a thing and are relying on nothing but childish assumptions.

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Jon Trott

November 03, 2012  10:39am

Claire, you write: "He was indoctrinated from birth by staunchly communist parents, he chose communist mentors as a young man, and the church/pastor he chose hold to Black Liberation Theology, which denies the deity of Christ and the authenticity of God's Word. BLT is Marxism dressed up to seem religious." Unfortunately, this string of untruths is something I've seen you post verbatim elsewhere here. Perhaps it originates in the endless echo chambers of FOX News? http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/06/18/foxs-crowley-obamas-parents-were-c ommunists-mot/162197 The free usage of "communist" by those attempting to marginalize the President only underscores my previous point re The Southern Strategy. Terms such as "foreign" (used by Gov. Romney to describe President Obama); "communist"; "socialist"; the birther accusations; all of these things point to language which serves as substitutions for the old racial lingo. It is hateful, and bears false witness.

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J Thomas

November 03, 2012  6:55am

One of the most offensive aspects of the Marxist Christian left is that they assume that their brethren on the 'right' some how intend to string out the poor, and then they use that straw man to try to beat them into submission. Every statistic on charitable giving proves that people on the 'right' in America give more of their time and resources than their counterparts on the left, even though people on the left make 6% more income on average. Christians on the right continue to lead by example. Christians on the left continue to agitate politically like they did in the 1960's, and tie themselves to violent revolutionaries like Jim Wallis did. I'm sorry, but Christians on the right have the model correct. They need to begin to turn off the noise coming from the political left and continue to focus on living the Gospel and voting to keep doors open for the Gospel to pass through into their communities and the world.

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Claire Guest

November 03, 2012  1:50am

Jon, how is it "name-calling" to simply acknowledge a person's ideology? Are you really completely unaware of Obama's ideology? He was indoctrinated from birth by staunchly communist parents, he chose communist mentors as a young man, and the church/pastor he chose hold to Black Liberation Theology, which denies the deity of Christ and the authenticity of God's Word. BLT is Marxism dressed up to seem religious. Are you really unaware of the fact that the Dems made it ultra-clear at the DNC this year that they have summarily rejected God in their platform? Fact is, Obama's "redistribution" policies are Marxist. He has NOT gone after huge corporations - he's bailed them out. He HAS gone after small business. His policies have NOT hurt the rich - the MIDDLE CLASS and WORKING POOR have borne the brunt of the Recession. Gas prices have DOUBLED over the last 4 years. God honors those who honor Him. This is why the Dems have no hope of success - they need to humbly repent before Him.

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Jon Trott

November 03, 2012  1:29am

The name-calling isn't helpful. Calling those to the left of the Christian Right "marxists" is completely inaccurate to the point of cartoonish silliness. Again, as a theologically conservative person who votes Democrat most elections (esp. in the past decade or so) I find it nothing more than white noise to have terms such as "socialist," "marxist," "old hippie" (well that one may be true), "feminist" (that one may be true as well), and the like tossed at my head. Can't people actually formulate intelligent discussion points without the name-calling? It would be so nice if they could... especially because they almost never know anything about the labels they so freely fling about. Let's talk exegesis. How do we follow Jesus and, as members of a Republic, take part in a government "by the people, for the people"? It is darn complex! So let's study history, theology, our own biases and tribal allegiances, and prayerfully find a way toward obedience to Christ. With humility?

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Claire Guest

November 03, 2012  12:02am

Kevin, I am not able to access earlier messages, so I cannot access the link you had posted. J Thomas, your post reminds me of one I saw elsewhere: "Taxation is not charity. If Obama and Biden really care about the poor, they would give MUCH more of their incomes to charity." Fact is, Obama's "redistribution" policies are Marxist. He has NOT gone after huge corporations - he's bailed them out. He HAS gone after small business. His policies have NOT hurt the rich - the MIDDLE CLASS and WORKING POOR have borne the brunt of the Recession. Gas prices have DOUBLED over the last 4 years. Unemployment has not abated. Marxism always wipes out a middle class, leaving only the "elite" and peasants. God honors those who honor HIM, but Obama and the Dems have purposely, blatantly DIShonored God in their platform, ideology, and policies -- including their extreme support for abortion and re-defining marriage. They cannot hope to succeed unless they humbly come to full repentance before God.

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