
Outbreak!
An interview with Peter Steinke | posted 7/01/1997
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Systems thinking is a little like immunology: If the T-cell count plummets, that jeopardizes the body's resistance to disease. One thing affects another. Everything is connected.
To understand the parts, you must look at the whole—that's systems thinking.
In his book Generation to Generation, Edwin Friedman, who died in 1996, applied the way family members related to one another to the way churches and synagogues operate as a whole. A disciple of Friedman, Peter Steinke, a Lutheran (ELCA) minister and counselor, has written Healthy Congregations (Alban Institute), which evaluates the health of a congregation using family-systems theory. Steinke views churches as living, breathing organisms.
Leadership senior associate editor Dave Goetz asked Steinke how systems thinking might help pastors bring health to their congregations.
In Healthy Congregations, you say that disease in a church can
be good. How so?
Peter Steinke: For any system to be healthy, it has to be challenged;
sometimes that challenge comes in the form of conflict. A healthy congregation
is one that actively and responsibly addresses or heals its disturbances.
It is not one with an absence of trouble.
I work with many churches that deal with their problems in secrecy—talking
behind people's back, for example. That sort of behavior doesn't lend itself
to healing. Healing comes with exposure to the light.
How should a pastor resist secrecy?
One way is simply to announce it: "We've had secret meetings. We need to
deal with things openly here."
The biblical injunctions in Matthew 18 are so clear. By going to the offending
brother or sister, taking along a leader, bringing the issue to the whole
community, you are creating exposure.
On the other hand, sometimes criticism or complaining may be legitimate,
and if the pastor attacks, he prevents people from speaking their mind and
their values.
How does a church build a strong immune system?
By having a strong sense of vision and mission. Then a church can judge its
behavior and activities. Otherwise, the basis for decision-making becomes
personal whims.
Can a pastor evaluate a church's health before accepting the call to
it?
If the congregation hasn't had much vision or a sense of mission, you should
ask yourself, "Are they ready for it? Do they see the value of it?" So often
a church says, "We want you to help us change," but the change is never
specified. The more specific and concrete the discussion about change becomes,
the more likely that change can take place.
How long does it take for an unhealthy church to become healthy?
From two to five years. Edwin Friedman once said, "For any chronically anxious
system to get better it has to go through an acute phase." The biggest enemy
of the healing process is to short-circuit the change or conflict or whatever
is creating the acute phase. I think it was Kierkegaard who said, "In order
for the wound to be healed, the wound must be kept open."
When the system has conflict, the system opens up. It's a wonderful time
for the church family to learn. But the first thing it wants to do is close
up again. For example, when a church loses a pastor, the first thing it wants
to do is get another, quickly. Instead, the church should use that period
for learning.
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