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Are you saying that a ministry like Fred Rogers's (not explicitly evangelistic but focused on restoring God's goodness in the world) can become part of the wooing process to bring people to Christ?

Jonathan: Yes. Let me explain it this way: I ask a lot of Christians from my generation about when they came to know Christ. Most of them say something like, "I can't name the day; I just know that for a long time God was pursuing me until I consciously allowed Christ to start transforming my heart." Don Miller said something to this effect in Blue Like Jazz. For many people in my generation, Miller said that following Jesus is less like making a decision and more like falling in love—it happens to you and then you recognize it. Yet they definitely have a legitimate salvation experience. This seems to be a normal process for my generation.

James: I don't have a problem with that. C.H. Spurgeon once said, "A man can know he's alive without knowing his birthday." I also agree with one of Jonathan's biggest critiques of my generation's approach to evangelism: We often focus on "decisionism" (have you decided to accept Jesus) rather than discipleship (becoming more like him).

But Scripture is clear that at some point we have to pass from darkness to light and from death to life. At some point, there has to be a conscious decision to repent of my sin and place my faith in Christ. So I don't want to get into semantics, but people may fall in love, yet they must decide to actually love.

Jonathan: I'm not sure about that. When I was in college, I remember waking up one day and thinking, I'm in love with this girl. I didn't decide to be in love with her.

James: All I'm saying is that you can't get away from the biblical model of deciding and acting on the impulse. You don't "fall into marriage" or "fall into having children" or "fall into taking up your cross and following Christ." At some point you have to make a decision—and we have to help bring people to that point of decision.

Jonathan: Maybe we should just leave this point alone.

Actually, there's an important tension here. You two seem to be talking about a shift in how we introduce people to Christ.

Jonathan: Yes, and church leaders have already acknowledged this shift (even if they don't recognize it) because we've gotten away from altar calls and invitations to accept Christ at the end of each service. To me, that change shows a certain flaw in "decisionism"—namely, that it's inconsistent with the way most people have experienced Christ's work in their lives. If that's the norm, we should be presenting opportunities for a decision continually.

James: Yes, many preachers have gotten away from presenting the gospel of Christ on a regular basis. And that's a problem. You can listen to some of the most popular preachers in the country for months and never get within a country mile of a gospel invitation.

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Justin

May 05, 2012  1:04pm

“Highlighting only one part of the discussion, I agree with James that abortion is murder and I am opposed to it. However, isn't it also murder to relegate someone to poor health or even death by denying them access to quality, affordable health care. Why are so many of James' generation opposed to quality, affordable health care for all?” They aren’t. What they are against is an expansion of government. They believe when properly regulated, the free market will make quality health care affordable for all. Don’t misjudge their arguments. “And why are they opposed to the wealthy paying their fair share in taxes?” Seeing as the wealthy already pay a significant portion, how much is a ’fair share’? Do you want to bleed them dry? The fact is, the wealthy are the job creators in this country, and taxing them to death slows job creation and prompts them to send work overseas to countries with lower taxes. “And why are they opposed to treating the "strangers in our midst" (immigrants, some of them illegal) with compassion? “ I’m all for treating them with compassion. But I also expect them to obey the laws of our land, and that includes the immigration laws. Does the immigration system need to be changed? Yes, it should be streamlined. Does that mean I don’t think illegals should be punished for breaking the law and living here and enjoying our nation without paying taxes? No. “And why are they so eager to send Americans to war with, and in, other nations, some of which have done the U.S. no direct harm?” This much I can agree with. “ I am of James' generation and I see the theology and evangelistic practices of my generation full of holes. (I also live very near to Duluth, Ga.) Bravo to Jonathan and his generation for helping to pull the scales from the eyes of my generation.” I’m not. I was born in the 90’s.

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Anonymous

March 12, 2012  5:10am

about justin's, christians, and ministries understands the meaning of charity better than the state.however nothing stops christians from sending their contributions on charity through the state,if need be.

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Justin

March 07, 2012  9:18am

Steve, To one of your points: What do you mean by "fair share" of taxes? My understanding is that the wealthy class pays the highest percentage of taxes, overall. BTW, I am not wealthy, nor am I aspiring to be so, financially. However, in theory, I don't think that we, as Christians, are called to give the state our money (through taxation) for the purpose of empowering them to choose who should receive charity and services. The dangers of this are myriad (Where does the $ go? Does it all make it to the intended recipient? Is our $ going towards organizations that are sinful? etc.). God calls us to be good stewards of our money and to be cheerful givers. As Christians, we should be zealous to guard our money (along with all our other resources, as well), so that we can use in the best way possible for "Kingdom" development. BTW, there are multiple health share and medical ministries around the nation. I think we, as Christians, would do better to support these types of ministries and causes, rather than entrust this work to the state. I just don't see the biblical warrant for handing this responsibility over to the state. And...We haven't even taken into account whether or not the state is even a good manager of these types of responsibilities. However, that is a different conversation for a different day. Grace be with you!

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Steve W.

March 06, 2012  3:13pm

Highlighting only one part of the discussion, I agree with James that abortion is murder and I am opposed to it. However, isn't it also murder to relegate someone to poor health or even death by denying them access to quality, affordable health care. Why are so many of James' generation opposed to quality, affordable health care for all? And why are they opposed to the wealthy paying their fair share in taxes? And why are they opposed to treating the "strangers in our midst" (immigrants, some of them illegal) with compassion? And why are they so eager to send Americans to war with, and in, other nations, some of which have done the U.S. no direct harm? I am of James' generation and I see the theology and evangelistic practices of my generation full of holes. (I also live very near to Duluth, Ga.) Bravo to Jonathan and his generation for helping to pull the scales from the eyes of my generation.

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Jason Van Bemmel

March 06, 2012  12:37pm

We need to be careful not to let the world and its influence shape our approach to ministry. This happens in two ways: First, the "old school" way is the react against the world's critiques and be louder, bolder and more militant. Second, the "emergent" way is to try to please the world and get them to like us by not talking explicitly about Jesus, being pluralistic, erasing hell, etc. BOTH appraches are unfaithful because they are shaped more by the world than by the Word. I agree wholeheartedly with the prescription: "Preach the Word!" If we do so (expositionally), we allow God's kingdom agenda to shape ours, as we seek to obey His voice and tune out the world's influence. We will hear Him say, "Be in the world but not of the world." We will be concerned more with loving our neighbors, including loving their souls by sharing Christ with them, than with "influencing culture," whatever that means. It is Christ and His Gospel that we need most to hear and to speak. It is HIM!

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