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audrey ruth

February 15, 2014  11:30pm

Oops, I meant to say John Wooden, not Woody Hayes. Big difference! :) Dorothy, this quote by John Wooden fits exactly what you said: "Material possessions, winning scores, and great reputations are meaningless in the eyes of the Lord, because He knows what we really are and that is all that matters."

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Dorothy Greco

February 13, 2014  12:18pm

Woody, I would agree with Audrey Ruth. What does the word success mean? Wins? Earnings? While I have no doubt that some of the men you listed were "good" leaders, I think God's standards are much, much higher. A pastor with a church of several thousand who demeans, fails to respect others, and manipulates is not a success. Not to God nor for those being stepped on as the leader boosts himself up.

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audrey ruth

February 12, 2014  9:11am

Woody, when it comes to 'worldly' leadership (as opposed to church leadership, the subject of the title article), men like Bob Knight and Vince Lombardi 'can' be referenced (but IIRC, didn't Bobby Knight go down in flames?), but this article is not about guys who cuss worse than sailors (Lombardi did, also had an uncontrollable temper) and attack players (like Knight, who infamously could not control his own temper.) Rather, this is about the need for Godly men who lead by example and do not mistreat the sheep, but are faithful shepherds. Since you share his name, maybe you know of Woody Hayes, a man of Knight's and Lombardi's era who put them both in the shade when it came to living a Godly life in the 'worldly' profession of sports. He positively influenced MANY, MANY young men toward the Lord. A lot of pastors and other church leaders today could learn a LOT from him. Pat Williams has just come out with a book about Woody Hayes. I'm really looking forward to reading it.

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woody weaver

February 11, 2014  5:22pm

About one week ago the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Packer beat writer Bob McGinn published his own list of the twenty-five greatest quarterbacks of all time. At number two he listed Johnny Unitas calling him "the ultimate leader of men" and also one of the toughest considering the brutality of the era he played in. He described his pick at number 5 Peyton Manning as having a "domineering personality" and "most prepared". Number 3 Tom Brady was listed as having "strength of character" and a "perfectionist". Joe Montana at number one was listed as "poised" and "poetry in motion". Bob McGinn in his own way was writing about what defines leadership. All leaders have strengths and weaknesses. Men like Bob Knight and Vince Lombardi probably could not coach today because their leadership styles were driven and sometimes harsh but the men they led with a few exceptions cite these men as exemplars of leadership. What one may consider "toxic" may be another's key to perform.

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audrey ruth

February 09, 2014  12:31am

John H, the churches in which I've observed this happen, or have heard about from close friends, have been mainline denominations, independent Baptist (the polar opposite of Pentecostal) and Roman Catholic. IMHO, no denomination or type of church has a corner on this sort of tragedy.

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