When Paul McLaughlin went to his advisor, Mark McMinn, to pitch a dissertation on wisdom psychology, Mark told him: “Paul, that sounds like a great topic, but psychologists do not really study wisdom.”

Paul proved him wrong, and years later they’ve together crafted a book on it: As Christians, what can we learn from the science of wisdom? And how we can cultivate this virtue in our hectic, tragic modern world?

In this episode, Kent and Jamie also query Paul and Mark on topics like:

What’s the difference between information and wisdom?:

What’s the cost of operating without wisdom?

What are some practices for cultivating wisdom?

What is the relationship between adversity and wisdom?


Paul and Mark’s book: A Time for Wisdom: Knowledge, Detachment, Tranquility, Transcendence (Templeton Press, 2022)

"On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

This episode produced by Laura Finch

Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance

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(Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.)