Struggling to answer someone’s theological question about grief or pain.
Walking into an elder meeting only to discover that half of the group isn’t on board with your plan.
Realizing halfway through preaching that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.


Are you shuddering yet? Scenarios like these can send chills down a pastor’s spine, and they often point to deeper fears: Am I really the right pastor for this church? Am I equipped for ministry?

On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson share some of the fears they’ve faced. They talk about the ways that especially nerve-wracking experiences can stick with us, affecting our future responses. And they speak to the power of defining pastoral roles, responsibilities, and faithfulness around love and freedom rather than fear and insecurity.

Produced by Mike Cosper
Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie
Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casell

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