On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Ronnie Martin and Jared Wilson talk about why pastors can and should be hopeful both about the near future and the kingdom to come. They discuss how pastors can hope for what they cannot see and what it looks like to trust that God’s kindness and patience will result in their good. Ronnie and Jared also share their favorite books of 2020, and their hopeful approaches to entering 2021.

Produced by Mike Cosper

Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie

Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella