To be human is to be limited, but sometimes pastors aren’t sure if they’re allowed to apply that truth to themselves.

When congregants ask their pastors to serve as functional messiahs, or when pastors present themselves as saviors, codependency arises and interferes with true care. On this episode of The Art of Pastoring, Jared Wilson and Ronnie Martin talk about seasons when they’ve struggled with codependency in their church relationships. Listen in as Jared and Ronnie remind one another of the true savior, discuss setting boundaries and expectations, and talk about providing genuine care.

Produced by Mike Cosper, Ronnie Martin, and Jared Wilson

Edited and Mixed by Aaron Leslie

Theme Song "Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah" by Jeremy Casella