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I<\/strong>mmorality may not be on the ropes, but it\n has met a worthy and surprising opponent—a conservative Jewish woman with\n a secular radio talk show out of Los Angeles. Her daily program draws upward\n of 18 million listeners.<\/em><\/p>\n

With a Ph.D. in physiology from Columbia, Dr. Laura Schlessinger rails\n against abortion, adultery, and other moral ills. <\/em>U.S. News & World\n Report called Dr. Laura, also a licensed therapist, an “expert provocateur.”\n She can be bold, sassy, and curt when a caller asks about a moral dilemma:\n “On a scale of one to ten, how high on the stupid meter are you going to\n rate today?”<\/em><\/p>\n

Dr. Laura’s stand on volatile issues has drawn the ire of many. Although\n pastors would not agree with Dr. Laura’s opinions on every issue, she is\n an ally for righteous living; she has captured the moral attention of an\n anything-goes culture. Leadership’s<\/strong> Dave Goetz talked with Dr. Laura\n about what’s behind today’s interest in morality.<\/em><\/p>\n\n

How do you describe what you do on the air?<\/p>\n\n

Dr. Laura:<\/strong> I preach, teach, and nag. I remind people that the reason\nthey’re unhappy, frustrated, and their lives are in chaos is because they’re\nnot focused on how to make their lives purposeful.<\/p>\n\n

When I listened to your show recently I noticed a large percentage of\nthe calls related to sexual issues. Why?<\/p>\n\n

It’s mostly about inappropriate sex, and that’s because the rules about it\nare gone. Sex is an intense animal drive. People think that if they feel—forgive\nme—horny about somebody, that that somehow is an omen to act on that feeling.\nI try to explain that it means absolutely nothing other than the animal part\nof us wants to reproduce or have a jolly. That’s it. But any animal can do\nthat. Frogs can do it.<\/p>\n\n

To make it meaningful and important, sex has to be within a covenant. The\nfeminists were stupid to think that women could have meaningless sex like\nthe guys, that somehow that would enrich women’s lives.<\/p>\n\n

Instead it gave men much more freedom and women much more bondage.<\/p>\n\n

Exactly. Single women with kids out of wedlock—that’s the number-one thing\nit gave women.<\/p>\n\n

Many religious leaders have been saying, “Don’t have an abortion,” for\nyears. Do people hear in your words something different than what they hear\nin their church or synagogue?<\/p>\n\n

Some clergy communicate that maybe abortion is a sin, but then they give\nan out—”But I understand if you’re in a certain emotional state … “<\/p>\n\n

I’m absolute. I sound more like Leviticus. Unless mom is going to die (in\nJewish law, if the woman is going to die, then the pregnancy has to be\nterminated), the fetus is a life.<\/p>\n\n

I’ve heard you imply that if you belong to a religion, you don’t have\nthe right to select what you will do in terms of morality.<\/p>\n\n

I take that position on the air, absolutely. Otherwise, religion is a camp,\nand you’re signing up for a different elective: “I like this. I don’t like\nthat. I don’t like the kosher thing. It’s very annoying.”<\/p>\n\n

On what is your morality based?<\/p>\n\n

It is based on Jewish law, which is what Christian law is really based on.<\/p>\n\n

One woman called who was dating a married guy. I said, “You’re helping break\nup his family.”<\/p>\n\n

“Well, he’s the one breaking the vows,” she said.<\/p>\n\n

“You don’t think you have a part in breaking the vows?”<\/p>\n\n

“No.”<\/p>\n\n

I said, “Thou shalt not covet. Pretend he’s her ox.”<\/p>\n\n

Dead silence. There was absolutely no way to get around that. When reason\nand compassion don’t work, I pull out the law.<\/p>\n\n

“Now, why do you think that law was given?” I continued.<\/p>\n\n

“Well, I don’t know,” she said.<\/p>\n\n

“Do you know which commandment it is?”<\/p>\n\n

“No.”<\/p>\n\n

I said, “There’s a reason for this law. This is part of how we destroy society.\nWithout that law it would mean that somebody listening to this show, once\nyou get this married guy, will think you’re fair game. Is that the world\nyou want to live in? Or do you want to live in a world where everybody’s\nmoral but you?”<\/p>\n\n

What does it take to convince callers who haven’t been living morally\nto make the switch?<\/p>\n\n

One, they have been listening for months or years to my pounding. Finally\nthey were in a situation, and ricocheting around their head was, “What would\nDr. Laura say? What would Dr. Laura say?” It’s as though I became Jiminy\nCricket.<\/p>\n\n

The preponderance of the letters I get say, “I keep listening, listening,\nlistening. At first I rebelled. At first I was angry.”<\/p>\n\n

But my pounding gets through, because they know somewhere that they respect\nme, that I’m right. After a time of pounding, I’m in their heads.<\/p>\n\n

Two, they’re in the midst of something traumatic, difficult, highly emotionally\ncharged, and they hear something on the show that, poom, puts them over the\nedge; they make a change.<\/p>\n\n

Have you ever been stumped by a question?<\/p>\n\n

I don’t charge myself with having to fix whatever people call in with. I\ntry to find the principle involved and then say, “You make it work in your\ncontext.”<\/p>\n\n

I assume if I give them the principle, they will be creative. To take all\nthe responsibility from a caller is arrogant.<\/p>\n\n

Would you respond differently to people if you were in the same room with\nthem?<\/p>\n\n

I wouldn’t be half as tough. Callers have privacy. They have anonymity. They\ndon’t have to see my face. When you see the face of somebody being strong\nwith you, it’s harder to bear because it makes you feel like a little kid\nwith a parent who’s mad. I can get away with a lot more usefulness, actually,\nbecause callers can’t see me.<\/p>\n\n

Also, callers have a relationship of trust and respect with me long before\nthey pick up the phone. That’s why they picked up the phone. Nobody calls\nthe first day they hear the show.<\/p>\n\n

What is the hope you offer callers?<\/p>\n\n

I tell them, “This you can do. It’s going to be hard and difficult and painful\nand embarrassing and make you sick and nervous. But you’ll come out on the\nother end—and feel a hell of a lot better about yourself.”<\/p>\n\n

It’s a tremendous effort to avail yourself of a righteous life. It is difficult.\nIt is demanding. It’s so rewarding, though, and I think it makes life easier\nand more comfortable, except for those who would tear you down, who cannot\ntolerate people trying to achieve a standard.<\/p>\n\n

Do you feel pressure to live a more moral life than others to give your\nwords credibility?<\/p>\n\n

No. Because I do it for me. That’s my relationship to God. I could fool you\nany day. But I don’t think God turns off his Internet. I never cheat on an\nunkosher piece of food, thinking, “Gee, nobody saw me,” because that’s not\nrelevant. What’s relevant is I have committed myself to an ever-growing,\nholier life.<\/p>\n\n

In your book How Could You Do That?<\/em> you take a dig at pastors.\nWhy?<\/p>\n\n

I’ve said to clergy, “I understand this is an era where the people in front\nof you are trying to dictate to you what you say to them. But this is not\nyour job; this is helping the decline, and you’ve got to be a leader. You’ve\ngot to be religious leaders, not camp counselors who try to make everybody\nhappy so they will come back next summer.”<\/p>\n\n

Immediately I got letters from pastors and a few priests (but not one rabbi),\nsaying, “You’re absolutely right. I’m no longer going to marry people who\nare shacking up. I’m no longer going to do this or that.”<\/p>\n\n

I feel like the biblical prophet who bangs pots and makes a loud noise and\nsays, “This is not right.” I’m in the kitchen, pots banging.<\/p>\n\n

Could a preacher talk about moral issues the way you do?<\/p>\n\n

Probably not. I see myself in cahoots with the clergy: I rattle people’s\nassumptions that they ought to get away with certain things. But if pastors\nnagged as much as I, they would maybe not be perceived as those who could\ngently take people into the night.<\/p>\n\n

Why do people call you knowing they’re going to get blasted?<\/p>\n\n

There are times when I will turn off the microphone and say to my engineer,\n“Do you believe he called me?” Sometimes I’ll say to the caller, “Have you\nlistened to this show before?”<\/p>\n\n

Those callers want me to convince them. I compare it to someone, for example,\nwho knows he should stop smoking, but can’t; he doesn’t have the inner\nwherewithal to make<\/em> that decision, much less follow it through.<\/p>\n\n

So they call me and argue with me. They’re playing the Devil’s advocate.\nThey’re making me them, and they play their weakest part. Their weakest part\nargues with me until I convince them.<\/p>\n\n

So because there are no cultural mores, people can’t muster an internal\ndialogue about whether something like an affair is right or wrong?<\/p>\n\n

Totally. I say to people, “You don’t know this is wrong?” They don’t because\nthere are no rules any more.<\/p>\n\n

Other than what you get in church, where are the rules? See a handicapped\nparking space? “Hey, it’s the only one; I’ll take it. Don’t bother me. I’m\nbusy.”<\/p>\n\n

God left us with the will to choose, the ability to choose, the freedom to\nchoose, and we don’t always choose right. Which is why we don’t have heaven\non earth.<\/p>\n\n

To me, the end product is that the examined life is worth living. I’m trying\nto get people to be profoundly, deeply happy instead of just giddy for a\nmoment.<\/p>\n\n

Copyright © 1998 by the author or Christianity Today\/Leadership<\/em> Journal. For reprint information call 630-260-6200 or contact us<\/a>.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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