{"id":21810,"date":"1997-04-01T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1997-04-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/pastors\/1997\/04\/01\/conversations-7\/"},"modified":"1997-04-01T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1997-04-01T00:00:00","slug":"conversations-7","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/pastors\/content\/conversations-7\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversations"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">The frozen chosen<\/h2><p>\nA pastor told <em>Leadership<\/em> recently, &#8220;It seems I&#8217;ve been doing a lot more counseling lately.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>\nWe asked, &#8220;What problems are you seeing more of?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;Troubled marriages. Many Christian couples are still together, gutting it out&mdash;I respect them for that&mdash;but the intimacy is gone. Sometimes it seems my wife and I are the only people in the congregation still enjoying sex.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">How are you recruiting?<\/h2><p>\nIt&#8217;s an age-old problem: not enough volunteers, especially to work with children and youth. In response, many church leaders appeal to convenience: &#8220;It won&#8217;t take much of your time.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>\nBut one youth pastor says he sees good results doing the opposite&mdash;recruiting to commitment: &#8220;This will take a lot of your time; this is challenging, but there&#8217;s nothing more important.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Uncomfortable seekers<\/h2><p>\nA pastor explains, &#8220;I used to ask, &#8216;Will spiritual seekers be comfortable in our worship service and church?&#8217; That was the wrong question. You can&#8217;t read much of the Bible in our contemporary context <em>without<\/em> being uncomfortable.<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;Our question now is, &#8216;Will seekers be unnecessarily offended by our actions?'&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Dying 4 change<\/h2><p>\nPlanning to make a change in your congregation? In Mikros newsletter, Glenn C. Daman lists four ways people respond to change. People may see change as:<\/p>\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\n  1. a friend to be embraced\n  <br>\n  2. a companion to be selected with care\n  <br>\n  3. a stranger to be accepted with caution\n  <br>\n  4. an enemy to resist.\n<\/p>\n\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\nKnowing which group someone is in can help you tailor your response.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Your sermon&#8217;s envelope<\/h2><p> Narrative preaching is sometimes touted as <em>the<\/em> means of communicating with a TV generation; a deductive, content-heavy form is often considered out of date.<\/p>\n\n<p>\nEugene Lowry, preaching professor at St. Paul School of Theology in Kansas City, reduces the tension by comparing the sermon&#8217;s form to an envelope. The traditional sermon had a logical envelope with narrative inside. Today&#8217;s narrative sermon has a &#8220;a narratively shaped envelope with rhetorical ingredients inside&#8221; (<em>Listening to the Word<\/em>).<\/p>\n\n<p>\nConsequently, &#8220;One should no more label a narrative sermon as <em>mere story<\/em> than one would name a traditional sermon mere <em>logic<\/em>. Both story and logic are proper. The question is: Which are the eggs; which is the basket? The changing answer to that question is the revolution of preaching in our time.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Managed care<\/h2><p>\nIn <em>Leadership<\/em>&#8216;s area on America Online (keyword: LJ), we asked, &#8220;With the rise of managed care, insurance companies are restricting the number of visits people can have with professional counselors. 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