{"id":22026,"date":"1996-10-01T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1996-10-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/pastors\/1996\/10\/01\/conversations-5\/"},"modified":"1996-10-01T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1996-10-01T00:00:00","slug":"conversations-5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/pastors\/content\/conversations-5\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversations"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">The numbers game<\/h2>\n<p>\nLast issue&#8217;s &#8220;From the Editor&#8221; column discussed why some pastors feel bad\nabout the size of their churches. That prompted a thoughtful letter from\na charter subscriber:<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;Personally, I do not believe that I am my statistics. . . . Within the confines\nof my home and church, I am accepted for being myself rather than for producing\na certain number of &#8216;bodies, bucks, and buildings.&#8217;<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;But that doesn&#8217;t hold true when I venture outside my church. There is a\nvery real &#8216;pecking order&#8217; in Christian circles, and it is not based on your\ncharacter, ability, or faithfulness. The pecking order is based on the size\nof your church.<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;The larger your church, the better chance you have to relocate to another\nministry . . . the better chance you&#8217;ll be sought for consultation\n. . . the better chance you&#8217;ll be asked to speak at conferences and seminars\nor serve on the boards and committees of Christian organizations.<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;I choose not to judge myself on the basis of statistics, but when others\ndo it constantly, it becomes very wearing.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">The &#8220;next church&#8221;<\/h2>\n<p>\nFinally, the secular media are noticing a profound change in church life.\nIn the August issue of <em>The Atlantic Monthly,<\/em> Charles Trueheart writes\nof &#8220;The Next Church,&#8221; churches &#8221; &#8216;intentional&#8217; about growing.&#8221; (To read the\narticle: in America Online, use the key word &#8220;Atlantic&#8221;; on the web, go to\nwww.theAtlantic.com.)<\/p>\n\n<p>\nIn an interesting countertrend, several <em>Leadership <\/em>advisers have noticed\na move toward &#8220;classic&#8221; elements in worship: more doctrinal preaching, more\nhymns, more liturgy. And at least one prominent seeker-oriented church is\nswitching Sunday morning from seeker evangelism back to Christian worship;\nevangelism will be through events.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Theology = longevity<\/h2>\n<p>\nAt a recent <em>Leadership<\/em> planning meeting, Dennis Baker, director of\nthe Conservative Baptist Association, observed this: &#8220;As I look at pastors\nwho have finished well, almost all are theological thinkers. Without a strong\ngrounding in theol-ogy, pastors tend to have a short shelf life.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">We wanted to apologize<\/h2>\n<p>\nThe summer issue included &#8220;My Former Church Apologized,&#8221; the true story of\na pastor who had been hurt by a church and how later that church publicly\napologized to him. That brought a letter from a pastor who experienced the\nopposite:<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;I knowingly accepted a call to a church whose eight-year relationship with\nmy preceding pastor ended very negatively. . . . Six months ago the deacon\nboard sent a letter to the former pastor asking his forgiveness.<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;We received a letter from the former pastor stating that he and his wife\nwere deeply hurt during their time here, . . . that they had forgiven the\nchurch, had put the matter behind them, and a meeting was not necessary.\nThe letter was worded in such a way that . . . the hurt and anger came through\nbut the forgiveness did not.<\/p>\n\n<p>\n&#8220;We have people who need an opportunity to apologize. . . . If you are a\npastor who has been mistreated by a congregation and they approach you about\na meeting, please meet with them. You might not need it, but they do.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">There IS a free lunch<\/h2>\n<p>\nWant a <em>Leadership<\/em> editor to come visit and buy you lunch? We like\nto talk with readers about their ministry; that helps us keep the journal\ntruly helpful.<\/p>\n\n<p>\nIf you&#8217;re interested, send a letter with your address and phone. In the next\nthree months, we&#8217;ll pick a few of the cards we receive and set up a visit.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Coming Together<\/h2>\n<p>\nAs dozens of black churches were torched this summer, we agonized. We were\npleased, though, to see congregations from around the country respond to\nwhat were often acts of racism.<\/p>\n\n<p>\nWhile traveling through Memphis, we picked up one such story. 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