{"id":22109,"date":"1996-07-01T00:00:00","date_gmt":"1996-07-01T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/pastors\/1996\/07\/01\/conversations-4\/"},"modified":"1996-07-01T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"1996-07-01T00:00:00","slug":"conversations-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/pastors\/content\/conversations-4\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversations"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">What kids want to talk about<\/h2>\n<p>\n<em>Group<\/em> magazine asked Christian teenagers, &#8220;What do you wish your youth\nleaders would ask you?&#8221; Their top 5 responses:<\/p>\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>What ideas do you have for youth group activities?<\/li>\n\n<li>Why did\/do you come to youth group?<\/li>\n\n<li>How&#8217;s your relationship with Christ? 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God-exalting worship.\n2. God&#8217;s empowering presence.\n3. An outward focus.\n4. Servant-leadership development.\n5. Commitment to loving\/caring relationships.\n6. Learning and growing in community.\n7. Personal disciplines.\n8. Stewardship and generosity.\n9. Wise administration and accountability.\n10. Networking with the regional church.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Ministry&#8217;s double bind<\/h2>\n<p>\nIn some church circles, there&#8217;s an odd logic at work:<\/p>\n\n<p>\nIf the ministry is going well, we say, &#8220;God is blessing.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>\nIf the ministry is not going well, we say, &#8220;What am I doing wrong?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n<p>\nWith that system, we can never take credit, only blame.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Conflict<\/h2>\n<p>\nAmid the conflicts of church life, it helps to remember these words of\nG. K. 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Don&#8217;t miss our\ninterviews with John Maxwell and Marlene Wilson, or the wonderful insights\ninto preaching by Helmut Thielicke.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Customers or contributors?<\/h2>\n<p>\nIn a recent phone conversation, contributing editor Fred Smith pointed out\nthat many churches ask people, &#8220;Do you like going? Are you getting something\nout of it?&#8221; But that approach, he says, sees people as customers.<\/p>\n\n<p>\nThe better approach, he believes, is to see them as contributors. The questions\nto ask people are, &#8220;Are you profitable to the Master? What do you have to\ngive and are you giving it?&#8221;<\/p>\n  \n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading is-style-article-subhead1\">Pastoral Codes for the Internet<\/h2>\n<p>\n<em>Leadership <\/em>cartoonist Dik LaPine recently instructed us with these\ncodes \nfor ministers sending e-mail. 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