Ur Video: Women in Ministry (Part 3)
N.T. Wright gives a biblical case for the full inclusion of women in the orders of the church.

N.T. Wright is one of the more popular theologians today. When his views about the atonement are not stirring debate, then perhaps his understanding of the role of women in ministry will. In this video, Wright outlines the prominent role of women as apostles (Romans 16) and the counter-cultural fact that a women was the first person commissioned to announce the news of Jesus' resurrection (John 20). He chooses to read 1 Timothy 2 in light of these texts.

February 24, 2011

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Pastor Sandra

March 21, 2011  10:55am

Is the Great Commission of Matthew 28:18-20 written only to men? If it is for everyone, how can one not witness and teach at the same time? The two are synonymous. Some of the greatest sermons and witnesses recorded were teachings. The sermon on the mount – Matthew Chapters 5-7; Acts Chapter 2; Acts Chapter 7; Acts Chapter 10; Acts Chapter 17; Acts Chapter 26. The Holy Spirit came on the Day of Pentecost to 120 people-men and women. In John 14:26, Jesus said the Holy Spirit would remind us of everything He said and taught. Did the Holy Spirit dissect Himself and only give that promise to men? If a woman has a burning inside her heart to share Jesus and build His Church is that from Satan? Can we honestly believe that Christ would be offended by a woman pastoring on His behalf because of her gender?

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Pastor Sandra

March 21, 2011  10:38am

The scriptures reference women in the anointing/office as prophet, Exodus 15:20, Judges 4:4, 2 Kings 22:14, 2 Chronicles 34:22, and Luke 2:36. If a woman can be a prophet, why would she not be able to fill one of the other anointings of the five-fold ministry-apostle, pastor, teacher, evangelist? Paul writes in 1 Cor 14:34-35 that women can't speak in Church, but prior to that in 11:5-6, he wrote "every woman that prays or prophesies …" The Greek word in that text for prophesies literally means to teach, refute, reprove and admonish. Where would a woman prophesy, which is speak? Wherever there is a body of believers, it is the Church. 1 Cor 14:35 implies the women were unlearned and interrupting the service. Paul corrected them for rudeness. One would hope that at some point these women would grow in God's wisdom and discipline and graduate from disciple to leader. There is something wrong if a person never matures. Most of 1 Cor 14 is a correction to that church. What about 2 Tim 3:6? Certainly, not all Christian women can be classified as silly women, for women who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior should not be laden with sins, and living contrary to the Word of God. Traditionaly, why is it acceptable to allow women to teach Sunday school to male children? Once the male children turn a certain age, do they completely disregard their female Sunday school teacher? What about a boy's mother? Is she qualified to teach her male children the Bible?

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Pastor Sandra

March 21, 2011  10:32am

A few thoughts: In 1 Tim 2:11, Paul states that a woman should learn in silence with all submission. The question is, who is a woman submitted to? Is she submitted to all men? The word submission means: obedience, to take instruction from. Does Paul mean a woman must be obedient and take instruction from every man? It is extremely important to interpret God's Word accurately. For example: Does 1 Tim. 2:15 mean women can't get saved unless they bear children? The Greek word for "saved" in that text is "sozo" - same word used for salvation in other scriptures. What would that mean to a woman who cannot have children, that she cannot get saved? Another point to consider: was the New Testament only written to men? Most of the scriptures were translated to address men only as in Romans 12:18. Are we only to live peaceably with men and not women?

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Abigail Taylor

March 17, 2011  8:33pm

I agree with the Word of God, that both men and women called and appointed by God must be obedient to God and not the human voice. Even in the Old Testament, we see God chose a woman Judge, Deborah. In Christ, we are neither male or female. I have never seen a male or female human spirit. Our human spirits are the candle of the Lord, and HE speaks to our spirit, and lets us know when we are born again, and He is the ONE who leads us into all truth. The steps of the righteous are ordered by the Lord, and this goes for both men and women. God never discriminates. We are equal in God's sight. In marriage, there is not a boss and a worker; it is a man-woman (husband/Wife) relationship, and the Word of God exhorts us to submit to one another. It is a team work. God is sovereign, and He chooses who He wants, regardless of what the human, male or female thinks. God's ways and thoughts are highter than our ways and thoughts. We must honour God in all that He says and does. (psalm 8 says, what is man that God is mindful of him?). God is the One who calls, and He is the One who anoints, and gives the messages from His Word. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble (both men and women).

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Hannah

March 07, 2011  2:15pm

Interesting that this was posted on CT's all-male-contributor blog and not on the all-female-contributors blog.

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Elizabeth

March 01, 2011  12:10am

too bad, regarding women, that Yeshua's death was just not enough..... oh, it was? then why act as if there is a reason to subordinate, instead of ordinate. If that is her calling, her gifting, that does not come from you, (men) which is what Paul commented in the Scripture..what? Did the gospel come from you or to you only?

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Tim

February 27, 2011  10:52pm

"When Paul said "there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female," he went on in the next few sentences to talk about all Christians having full status as "sons...." So some saints are concerned to close the male - female gap in the household of faith? Would they also care to close and eliminate the lay - clergy gap as well? I know there is a paycheck out of the offering plate and a special title in it for them, but if there is any substance to "follow the Word" they would not seek to climb into the clergy status role but eliminate it. If they know that "En plus dative is normally inclusive" then they know that the Word says we are all "called into full time ministry" and we are all "the people of God". It's all in plain English. Now then it doesn't matter at all if Junia and Phoebe and Euodia, etc were "official leadership" or not. There was no clergy, vestments, backwards collars, robes, elevated pulpits, dominating lecturers, sacerdotal performers or special titles then. They are a huge distraction to God's building of His church now. In so many ways they nullify the commands of God.

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KR Wordgazer

February 26, 2011  7:23pm

Not finding specific instances of female leadership in the New Testament has more to do with prior assumptions than with female leaders not being present. Nympha (Col 4:15) and Chloe (1 Cor 1:11) were probably both leaders of household churches. Phoebe was certainly some kind of leader– Paul uses the same word to refer to her as he uses to refer to himself, and also calls her his "benefactor," a word which carried a sense of authority in the Greek. Euodia and Syntyche were called Paul's "co-workers" in Phil. 4:2. He said they had "contended at his side" for the gospel and asked them to come into agreement with one another. The fact that Paul addresses them directly in this manner doesn't seem strange to us, but if they had not been church leaders, the natural thing for him to have done would have been to speak to the leaders about them, not address them directly. When Paul said "there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is not male and female," he went on in the next few sentences to talk about all Christians having full status as "sons." This was a word that referred to the full rights and privileges of an adopted, freeborn male, who was treated the same as freeborn male heirs– absolutely no difference in rights or privileges. Paul said we are all "sons" in this sense. No Christian has higher status, more privileges, or more rights to walk in God's giftings and callings than any other Christian. No passage in the New Testament that talks about the gifts of the Spirit, adds a caveat that some are reserved for men only. "Husband of one wife" in 1 Tim 3 was not a term that meant only husbands could lead. Since single men are accepted as pastors in most churches, clearly the church knows how to accept this– except when it comes to restricting women, which it does more because it's always been done, than that the Scriptures, read without that prior assumption, actually support male-only leadership.

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Sue

February 26, 2011  3:44pm

Robert, I have done extensive research into these matters and if you enjoy discussing the Greek behind the status of Junia and Phoebe, please ask me more on my blog. powerscourt.blogspot.com

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Sue

February 26, 2011  3:20pm

Sorry, I am having trouble with the captcha. En plus the dative is normally inclusive. Luke 22:26.

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