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February 11, 2012

Home > 2008 > May (Web-only)Christianity Today, May (Web-only), 2008
Emergent's New Christians and the Young, Restless Reformed, Part 3
Tony Jones and Collin Hansen find connections as they discuss each other's books and movements.




Tony Jones is the national coordinator of Emergent Village and author of The New Christians: Dispatches from the Emergent Frontier. Collin Hansen is editor-at-large of Christianity Today and author of Young, Restless, Reformed: A Journalist's Journey with the New Calvinists. Both books take a sympathetic journalistic approach to a young but growing movement in American Christianity, examining why it's growing and how it's changing the larger church.

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Tony,

When you have two groups that care so much about theology, you'll always have something to talk about. E-mail conversations like this are helpful; sharing a meal together is even better. There is a tendency for all of us to write things for the Web that we would not say across a table. Nothing can substitute for the immediate give-and-take of face-to-face dialogue. I hope these interactions will continue and forestall the rush toward entrenchment in polemical blogs and books.

I do think that criticism can be constructive. I would be eager to hear about how Emergent has beaten back false critiques and even shifted course after observations that hit their mark. With the young, Reformed crowd I profiled, they face a great deal of criticism, both unfair and deserved. Some of it is easy to refute, such as the charge that Calvinists do not evangelize. Maybe these critics are not familiar with Edwards, Whitefield, Spurgeon, Carey, Judson, or even Piper's Let the Nations Be Glad. Nevertheless, young Calvinists have set out to evangelize with zeal, lest anyone still wonder. On the other hand, Reformed theologians have earned a reputation for picking each other apart but not applying their theology. Hopefully the young Calvinists will heed this critique and further explore how the doctrines of grace foster a biblical mix of conviction and humility.

Sometimes the criticism just makes me laugh. I get a kick out of Southern Baptists who worry about that leading emerging influence, John Piper.

— Collin

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Collin,

One things that's frustrating for the Emergents — as I'm sure it is for the Reformed — is when we answer a criticism but it continues to come up. As I published in the book, several of us wrote an extended "Response to Our Critics" several years ago, but it has done little to quell the critique. I mean, how many times do I have to profess that I'm a trinitarian before people believe it?

One of the criticisms that I think it easy to refute is that Emergents lack conviction. The argument goes like this: Because Emergents tend toward more humble — even postmodern — articulations of truth, they necessarily don't believe anything and can't stand for or against anything. It's the "slippery slope" argument. (But, of course, the most radical of the French postmodernist philosophers had all sorts of convictions about truth and justice. In fact, most of them were post-World War II Jews who felt that it was absolutist truth claims that led to the Holocaust.) To the contrary, the Emergents I know are persons of intense conviction on many issues, and they are surely not "anything goes" relativists.

A more difficult criticism to refute has been that of the organization and leadership of Emergent Christianity. Since our movement formed along the lines of the new media, and particularly the Internet, it tends to be egalitarian and a bit chaotic. Some voices rise up loudly for a while, then fade to the background. In the past, mainline Christianity has tried to mitigate the dominance of loud white guys (like me) with bureaucracy and Robert's Rules of Order. Although I don't think that's worked very well, I do worry that our movement will devolve into the oligarchy of the loudest voices.





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Displaying 1–5 of 13 comments

Guy Cothran

May 15, 2008  9:32pm

I've continued to stay in the institutional church, though not a member, for my young sons so they can have fellowship, corporate worship and training. I have recently begun to think this is a mistake, and last night purchased Tony's book-never seen it before- and just found this web dialogue today. 20 years experience with Reformed Presbyterianism, left for another conservative denomination. Bottom line; all of the institutional church seems to be compromised and really does not have a strong redeeming effect on our culture. Somehow the radical Jesus Christ is going to have to find an incarnation or I see no stopping the national and global deterioration that is growing at an unbelievable pace. Radical still means radical I think, so it will be looked down on and persecuted by the establishment; the establishment has too much of worldly value to protect. The spiritual progress we need will only come at a serious cost. Do the Emergents believe and accept this?

charles Alexander

May 06, 2008  6:56pm

Labels. Labels. Labels. No wonder spiritually we can't see the forest for the trees -- each tree trying to be a little taller -- each tree trying to offer more in the way of shelter -- each tree trying to woo the sweetest singing birds. So many label trees, no wonder the sunshine fails to get through.

Pr.bill borch LtCol.USAR

May 06, 2008  6:26pm

The "angst" comes through. Sixty-five? Try 73. So, yes, I understand. Yesterday I posted on my blog the story of the woman who opened her feather pillow in a gale-storm. Yep, never got her feathers back. The tragedy is they were carefully and lovingly collected for the express purpose of being together. A few years ago this reality drove me "nuts" as an Evangelical (Reformed) pastor. But it still doesn't seem to matter to most to whom I speak. Emergent, etc. is what you'll have when the "church" is an amorphous theory. "Anything goes", as the lady sings. I've noticed about kids, etc., you get what you tolerate. And now that you have no choice it'll unravel ad infinitum; there's nothing you can do about it. It's the meaning of "priesthood of believers", According Jacques Barzun, everyone ministered to himself. forestphilosopher.blogtoolkit.com (till Sunday, then ......blogspot.com

Leroy

May 06, 2008  3:37pm

As evidenced in this third obviously "bogus" email dialogue btw Tony/Collin designed to sell some books, Emergent offers a hollow and quite naive post-modern version of the faith, while Young Reformers offer a hollow and slightly less naive gloss on Calvinism. The central problem with both is the same; they superimpose a philosophical/theological grid on top of the biblical text and read their prejudices, preconceptions and points of view into their reading of that text and their interpretation of the Christian faith. Let me suggest that we jettison the trappings of something new, and return our focus to the biblical text understood within its historical context and eschew the interpretive grid superimposed thereon throughout history from Augustine, to Aquinas, to Luther, to Calvin to Emergent and whatever new new thing the young turks among us decide to dream up next.

Jonathan Switzer

May 06, 2008  3:08pm

Who put together this poll? Do you really think emergent or reformed are the only two important movements right now? Look at your poll results. Over 50% of your responders don't fit your worldview here.

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