Podcast

The Russell Moore Show

RMS Gary Haugen

Gary Haugen on Gospel and Justice

The CEO of IJM shares how to buck cynicism in the face of despair.

Gary Haugen has seen the darkest things imaginable. He’s spent decades fighting human traffickers, corrupt governments, and mobs that enslave men, women, and children to sell them for sex and profit. But he’s not one bit cynical.

As president of International Justice Mission, Haugen has worked to abolish modern-day slavery and to put the bad guys in jail while building the kind of institutions that ensure people are never treated that way again.

In this episode, Russell and Haugen discuss the objection that “justice issues” distract from the gospel. They also talk about how people can know whether God is calling them to some area of justice and mercy and about how those who are doing this kind of work can keep from burnout or despair.

Haugen quotes from C. S. Lewis’s Screwtape Letters: “Despair is a greater sin than any of the sins which provoke it.” He talks about how he learned from the writings of Dallas Willard and others the kinds of spiritual disciplines he needs to stay grounded and hopeful.

The two also talk about going to church 13 times a week, the complex psychology of an oppressor, the power of art and music to move us to action, practical steps toward seeking justice, and of course, Wendell Berry.

Special offer for listeners of The Russell Moore Show: Click here for 25% off a subscription to CT magazine.

“The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today
Executive Producer: Clarissa Moll
Host: Russell Moore
Producer: Leslie Thompson
Associate Producer: McKenzie Hill
Senior Producer: Matt Stevens
Audio engineering by Kevin Morris
Video producer: Sam Cedar
Theme Song: “Citizens” by Jon Guerra

Our Latest

Sent to Your Street

Mission isn’t just across the ocean. It’s across the street. God places his people in neighborhoods and cities so the nations might know him.

The Just Life with Benjamin Watson

Brooke Baldwin: Is the News Broken – or Are We?

The just life means living in the light with truth and integrity.

The Just Life with Benjamin Watson

Angela Stanton King: Mothers, Babies and The Measure of Justice

How ordinary people can create extraordinary change and why serving moms and protecting children belongs at the heart of justice.

The National Guard Won’t Fix Our Crime Problem

Lasting solutions come when we draw near to victims and seek God’s help in prayer.

News

Most Men Are Pro-Life. Activists Want Them to Speak Up.

Programs seek to help fathers voice opinions and take responsibility.

Analysis

For Kirk’s Fans, Provocation Wasn’t the Point

Young Christians in Kentucky remember how he treated question-askers and critics.

How Then Shall America Pray?

The White House’s new prayer initiative reveals much about our national character.

Apple PodcastsDown ArrowDown ArrowDown Arrowarrow_left_altLeft ArrowLeft ArrowRight ArrowRight ArrowRight Arrowarrow_up_altUp ArrowUp ArrowAvailable at Amazoncaret-downCloseCloseEmailEmailExpandExpandExternalExternalFacebookfacebook-squareGiftGiftGooglegoogleGoogle KeephamburgerInstagraminstagram-squareLinkLinklinkedin-squareListenListenListenChristianity TodayCT Creative Studio Logologo_orgMegaphoneMenuMenupausePinterestPlayPlayPocketPodcastRSSRSSSaveSaveSaveSearchSearchsearchSpotifyStitcherTelegramTable of ContentsTable of Contentstwitter-squareWhatsAppXYouTubeYouTube