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"Is Christianity Good for the World?"
Part 5 of the ongoing debate between Christopher Hitchens and Douglas Wilson.




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You dismiss the idea that the death of Jesus—the "torture and death of a single individual in a backward part of the Middle East" — could possibly be the solution to the sorrows of our brutish existence. When I said that Jesus is good for the world because he is the life of the world, you just tossed this away. You said, "You cannot possibly 'know' this. Nor can you present any evidence for it."

Actually, I believe I can present evidence for what I know. But evidence comes to us like food, and that is why we say grace over it. And we are supposed to eat it, not push it around on the plate—and if we don't give thanks, it never tastes right. But here is some evidence for you, in no particular order. The engineering that went into ankles. The taste of beer. That Jesus rose from the dead on the third day, just like he said. A woman's neck. Bees fooling around in the flower bed. The ability of acorns to manufacture enormous oaks out of stuff they find in the air and dirt. Forgiveness of sin. Storms out of the North, the kind with lightning. Joyous laughter (diaphragm spasms to the atheistic materialist). The ocean at night with a full moon. Delta blues. The peacock that lives in my yard. Sunrise, in color. Baptizing babies. The pleasure of sneezing. Eye contact. Having your feet removed from the miry clay, and established forever on the rock. You may say none of this tastes right to you. But suppose you were to bow your head and say grace over all of it. Try it that way.

You say that you cannot believe that Christ's death on the Cross was salvation for the world because the idea is absurd. I have shown in various ways that absurdity has not been a disqualifier for any number of your current beliefs. You praise reason to the heights, yet will not give reasons for your strident and inflexible moral judgments, or why you have arbitrarily dubbed certain chemical processes "rational argument." That's absurd right now, and yet there you are, holding it. So for you to refuse to accept Christ because it is absurd is like a man at one end of the pool refusing to move to the other end because he might get wet. Given your premises, you will have to come up with a different reason for rejecting Christ as you do.

But for you to make this move would reveal the two fundamental tenets of true atheism. One: There is no God. Two: I hate Him.

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Related Elsewhere:

Hitchens' God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, Thomas Jefferson: Author of America, Thomas Paine's "Rights of Man," Letters To a Young Contrarian, and Why Orwell Matters; and Wilson's Letter from a Christian Citizen, Reforming Marriage, and A Serrated Edge: A Brief Defense of Biblical Satire and Trinitarian Skylarking are available from Amazon.com and other retailers.

Wilson's Blog and Mablog has posts in response to God is Not Great, as well as other topics.

Hitchensweb.com has links to Hitchens' online articles.

Stan Guthrie commented in CT Liveblog about Christian-athiest debates.

Hitchens debated Al Sharpton on May 7.

Books & Culture articles about Hitchens and Wilson include:

Can You Reason with Christians? | A response to Sam Harris' Letter to a Christian Nation. (May 7, 2007)
Christopher Hitchens Explains It All for You | Move over, Sam Harris; another atheist wants the pulpit. (Books & Culture, April 30, 2007)
Book of the Week: Strange Bedfellows | Christopher Hitchens and Christopher Caldwell collaborate on a collection of political writing. Has the millennium arrived unnoticed? (Books & Culture, January 27, 2003)
Uncompromising Positions | Hitchens and Orwell (Books & Culture, November 1, 2002)
Mr. Wilson's Bookshelf | "Wayfaring Stranger" (Books & Culture, November 17, 2006)
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Walt   Posted: June 06, 2007 12:57 PM
Hitchens argues that he "chooses not to confect a mystery where none exists." Yet he attempts to argue that natural selection & trial-and-error can bring about an innate moral sensitivity. For me that's mysterious. Let anyone cite a list of any ten moral values that could've realistically emerged from innumerable centuries of survival of the fittest? Laughable! Natural selection is simply anti-thetical to any high view of morals! Innate morality--outside of a biblical worldview--is wishful thinking! To discredit religion, however, he cites a list of its "appalling atrocities." They're absurd...unless one actually regards circumcision as mutilation. Adding the institution of slavery and revulsion of female sexuality as instances of atrocious morality are inexcuseably sloppy scholarship. Atheism becomes amusing when seeking to accredit morality--or any list of moral virtues for that matter--within a Darwinian model of evolution. That happens when God is scandalized.

Jacob   Posted: June 01, 2007 4:18 PM
James---Oh, not so fast. Don't EVEN try it. What is your evidence for "God's moral commands flow from his immutable moral character..."? And "Because I said so!" and stomping your foot in the pew just doesn't count here. But seriously, you're stuck, pal. Euthyphro rocks, 2500 years later. So I get to ask you---why is Stalin's moral opinion less right or valid than yours now?? Hmm?? Tsk, tsk, tsk! At least my chemical processes are true. H2 & O always make water, unlike the shifting interpretations of the Christian Bible. Sorry, atheists have truth on their side. Or did you want to argue that Na plus CL don't always get us salt?

James   Posted: June 01, 2007 1:08 PM
Jacob, since God's moral commands flow from His immutable moral character, and are not arbitrary, Euthyphro Dilemma does not apply. If you think it does please explain "exactly" how. And you have not answered my point. How is Stalin's moral opinion less right or valid than, let's say, yours? Why is the chemical process that produced your moral sense more correct than the chemical process that produced his moral sense?

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