Rick Warren needs very little introduction. The planter and pastor of Saddleback Church in Orange County, California, for 43 years, Warren is widely considered one of the most influential spiritual leaders in America. His book The Purpose-Driven Life has been translated into 137 languages and sold more than 50 million copies.

And yet, on February 21, the Southern Baptist Convention disfellowshipped Saddleback Church due to its hiring of a female teaching pastor.

On this episode of The Russell Moore Show, Warren and Moore discuss the SBC’s decision and how it reflects on the convention’s response to sexual abuse. They talk about women in ministry, how to determine primary and secondary theological issues, and what healthy pastoral transitions may look like. And they share profound reasons for hope when it comes to the gospel going forth among the nations—even in a time when many fear Christianity’s influence is diminishing.

Tune in for an episode that acknowledges the difficulties of Christian life and ministry while celebrating the goodness of God.

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