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February 11, 2012

Home > 2008 > October (Web-only)Christianity Today, October (Web-only), 2008
Theology in the News
Anathemas All Around
Charges of heresy underscore stakes of debate over Trinity.




Sabellianism. Arianism. Biblical authority vs. Greek philosophy. Four evangelical scholars delivered charges and counter-charges over the Trinity during an October 9 debate before about 450 people at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (TEDS). The seminary's Carl F. H. Henry Center for Theological Understanding hosted a four-man debate over the question: Do relations of authority and submission exist eternally among the persons of the Godhead?

Questions over the Trinity involve complex metaphysical matters and careful interpretation of biblical texts. Though the Trinity is undeniably crucial to Christianity's unique religious identity, church members do not always see how the doctrine relates to faith and practice. Yet the early church labored feverishly over the doctrine for centuries, with orthodoxy itself at stake in councils at Nicaea, Chalcedon, and elsewhere. Today, debates over whether the Son submits eternally to the Father have been wrapped up with questions of authority and submission between men and women, resulting in a flurry of scholarly exchange. Gender roles did not emerge as a factor Thursday night, but that did not discourage vigorous, high-stakes debate.

Former TEDS systematic theology professors Wayne Grudem and Bruce Ware returned to the suburban Chicago seminary and argued the affirmative: relations of authority and submission do indeed exist among the persons of the Godhead. They pointed to a number of biblical texts that show that while the Son dwelt among us, he submitted to his heavenly Father. This was not the point of disagreement, however, so Grudem cited additional passages, arguing that they suggest the Son has submitted from eternity past and will submit for eternity future. He turned to Ephesians 1:3-5, Romans 8:29, and John 1:14 to argue: "The role of planning, purposing, predestining — the entire history of salvation — belongs to the Father, according to Scripture. There is no hint of any such authority for the Son with respect to the Father."

John 3:16 ("God gave his only Son") reinforces this view, Grudem said. "If one sends and the other is sent, then one commands and the other obeys," said the Phoenix Seminary professor. "Yes, the Son represents the Father, but to be sent by the Father is also to be subject to the Father's authority." Grudem explained that the very terms for Father and Son would have implied authority and submission in the biblical world. Ware, currently a professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, followed Grudem and marshaled quotes from Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, and numerous other theologians to support their case.

Tom McCall, a current TEDS systematic theology professor, teamed up with Keith Yandell, philosophy professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, to offer a different position. "There are no good reasons for orthodox Christians to hold to the position advocated by Drs. Ware and Grudem," McCall began, " and there are very good reasons for orthodox Christians to reject their account." He explained that both sides uphold biblical authority, both sides employ philosophical categories for understanding the Bible, and both sides can quote Bible verses. The key is which side can interpret Scripture correctly.

McCall took issue with a statement from Grudem's book Evangelical Feminism and Biblical Truth in which he argues, "If the Father also submitted to the authority of the Son, it would destroy the Trinity, because there would be no Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but only Person A, Person A, and Person A." That view would be Sabellianism, also known as modalism — the heretical view that the one God appears to humans in three modes, not three distinct persons. Defending himself against possible charges of heresy, McCall said we may affirm that there are distinctions within the Godhead even if we don't know what they are.

McCall also challenged Grudem and Ware's interpretation of passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:28, which they believe teach the Son's eternal subordination. Here Paul states, "When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all." McCall pointed out that Paul does not explain how long this subordination will last. Certainly we may not conclude from this verse, McCall argued, that Christ's subordination is "timelessly eternal or backwardly everlasting." More importantly, McCall said, "It only tells us of what is and will be — it does not tell us what must be!"





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Displaying 1–5 of 13 comments

Stan

October 14, 2008  8:45am

Collin, A great summary of a topic I have been hearing a lot about lately. But I would like a bit of analysis on who won. Also, is there any history that can help us decide which position is more consonant with orthodox tradition? I suspect that complementarians would take one theological position and egalitarians another, but perhaps there was more of a theological consensus before the gender roles dispute came upon us? Stan.

rayborze

October 13, 2008  9:40pm

Why can't we all simply understand the word's that is written in the Bible?, is it because we have become wiser? or more knowledgeable in all matters? if indeed you are that person then why can't you show your true wisdom so people will believe and maybe perhaps you can convinced God to changed He's course of action towards America?. Truly the Bible is right in saying that the whole world is decieved, and the son's of disobedienced arelso decieved. Sad to say that the leading so called christian nations are the one's also leading the nation's to distruction, why is that?. If the Leader of this nation will bring people to Repentance, maybe God will save America, but it seemed to me that it's far from reality.... For those who are truly Living their Lives according to God's commands are the one's who will rise above and victorious......

Jens Aage Ibsen

October 13, 2008  6:37pm

The belief in Trinity defines a person as a Christian. If you don't believe in a Threeune God you are not a Christian. - The Cherubim hinder our complete understanding of the Trinitarian dogma; but God made man strong enough mentally to live with SOME unanswered questions and problems. Listen to Johannes Sløk, one of the greatest philosophers of the 20eth century; he is also very controversial in his native country, Denmark (you may have heard of that extremely small country up north); pastors are accusing him of 'nihilism'. Sløk: God is able to create himself. On Easter Saturday morning He created himself into a God of Love. Jesus Christ is now Lord and God. The Son, who is now supreme God, also indirectly confirmed that, true enough, there once was a 'Father', a God who sometimes acted sternly and who was never really understood by the Jews, but now Christ is Lord and the Father has been substituted by the Son; The Father exists somewhere on the periphery of the Son. D'accord?

Francis H. Geis

October 13, 2008  5:08pm

I am glad that CT gave us a short, but fair report of this important debate on the Trinity. But I must agree with Dale Fincher that W. Grudem and B. Ware have perverted the doctrine of the Trinity simply to provide a theological base for the justification of their false, hierarchical view of men and women, which is repudiated by Acts 2, Gal. 3:26-4:7, and 2 Cor 5:17-21. Another good book on the Trinity, for those interested in further study of this vital doctrine, is Millard Erickson's God in Three Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity.

Maurice Bender

October 12, 2008  3:07pm

Eternity has had God in charge throughout all periods that have preceded ours. I have always found it strange to try and put God in some kind of an operating box for all that has ever gone before and all that will ever come after based on our book's theology for our limited minds. God can choose to act as He likes and since He is powerful enough to do whatever He likes He may have or may choose to do something quite different as he relates to some of the other creations He has or will deal with in the future. I am glad for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who has revealed Himself for His creation of us who are of Adam and his decedents. I have no problem with some speculation relating to God in all His history, however, I would think we should have much more important things to concentrate on as we work our assigned work while here in this particular part of His great and unlimited creation.

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