On this episode, New York Times Opinion columnist Ross Douthat tells Russell Moore where he’s wrong on Catholicism and American culture. Kind of.

Douthat and Moore consider what it looks like for Christians to engage civically without surrendering to the relentless urgency of the political cycle. They discuss the Roman Catholic Church and what’s happening at the intersection of religion, American culture, and world culture. They dialog on Douthat’s religious upbringing, corruption in religious hierarchies, and when Martin Luther did (and didn’t) have a point. They talk about Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis, the insufficiency of punditry, and whether or not America is a post-Christian nation.

Their discussion plays by the “Tell Me Where I’m Wrong” rules: Moore is only allowed to ask questions that seek to understand the guest’s point of view, and if he starts to argue, the guest is supposed to stop him.

Episodes in the “Tell Me Where I’m Wrong” series include:

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