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"Is Christianity Good for the World?"
Christopher Hitchens and Douglas Wilson debate.




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The late C. S. Lewis helps make this point for me by emphasizing that the teachings of Jesus only make sense if the speaker is the herald of an imminent kingdom of heaven. Otherwise, would it not be morally unsafe to denounce thrift, family, and the "taking of thought for the morrow"? Some of your readers may believe that this teaching is either true—in the sense of an imminent redemption—or moral. I believe that they would have a difficult time believing both things at once, and I notice the futility as well as the excessive strenuousness (sometimes called "fanaticism" in tribute to the way that the two things pull in opposite directions) of their efforts. Another way of phrasing this would be to say that if Christianity was going to save us by its teachings, it would have had to perform better by now. And so to my succeeding point.

3) if Christianity is to claim credit for the work of outstanding Christians or for the labors of famous charities, then it must in all honesty accept responsibility for the opposite. I shall not condescend to your readers in specifying what these "opposites" are, but I suggest once more that you pay attention to the Golden Rule. If hymns and psalms were sung to sanctify slavery—just to take a recent example—and then sung by abolitionists, then surely the non-fanatical explanation is that morality requires no supernatural sanction? Every Christian church has had to make some apology for its role in the Crusades, slavery, anti-Semitism, and much else. I do not think that such humility discredits faith as such, because I tend to think that faith is a problem to begin with, but I do think that humility will lead to the necessary conclusion that religion is man-made.

On the other hand from humility, the fantastic idea that the cosmos was made with man in mind strikes me as the highest form of arrogant self-centeredness. And this brings me to what must be (within the limits of this short essay) my closing point. We are not without knowledge on these points, and the boundaries are being expanded at a rate which astonishes even those who do not look for a single cause of such vast and diverse phenomena. There is more awe and more reverence to be derived from a study of the heavens or of our DNA than can be found in any book written by a fearful committee in the age of myth (when Aquinas took astrology seriously and Augustine invented "limbo").

I cannot, of course, prove that there is no supervising deity who invigilates my every moment and who will pursue me even after I am dead. (I can only be happy that there is no evidence for such a ghastly idea, which would resemble a celestial North Korea in which liberty was not just impossible but inconceivable.) But nor has any theologian ever demonstrated the contrary. This would perhaps make the believer and the doubter equal—except that the believer claims to know, not just that God exists, but that his most detailed wishes are not merely knowable but actually known. Since religion drew its first breath when the species lived in utter ignorance and considerable fear, I hope I may be forgiven for declining to believe that another human being can tell me what to do, in the most intimate details of my life and mind, and to further dictate these terms as if acting as proxy for a supernatural entity. This tyrannical idea is very much older than Christianity, of course, but I do sometimes think that Christians have less excuse for believing, let alone wishing, that such a horrible thing could be true. Perhaps your response will make me reconsider?

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Konstantin   Posted: May 22, 2007 1:10 AM
Lee, you have failed to answer Jessie's question. Christian consensus on the creeds has nothing to do with moral. What is moral about believing that Jesus is both human and divine, or that he was born of a virgin? Creeds are matters of dogma, not morality. Having said that, I would like you to consider the human cost of achieving the doctrinal conformity which seems so remarkable to you. Throughout the centuries, thousands upon thousands of "heretics" were executed by the Church (Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox) to achieve this conformity. Just read the history books about the murderous actions of the revered Protestant reformers toward those who disagreed with them on inconsequential matters of theology. You will be amazed at their cruelty. So my point is that theological conformity that you claim as your proof of a "moral standard" within Christianity is itself the result of extremely immoral acts on the part of Christian leaders. End of sermon.

Request to Hitchens   Posted: May 21, 2007 9:18 PM
Hitchens, please tell us, since you won't tell Wilson, why your evolved innate conscience carries any objective weight. And then tell us why it is has any ethical jurisdiction over anyone else's innate conscience. And then address this irony: As a naturalist, the best you can say is that supernaturalist religion is not natural, not the proper result of matter in motion, not what evolution was supposed to produce. And yet supernaturalist religion has happened. Chemicals in motion have given birth to an almost universal belief in deity and afterlife among humans. So how would you go about arguing against the innateness of belief in deity when it is, well, so seemingly innate? Why do you get to pick and choose which innatenesses are the correct innatenesses? To make it more specific, why is my own innate conviction to believe in God not authoritative for you, while your convictions are for me? We know why *you* don't like Xianity, but you're supposed to convince others (see debate title).

Ken Barber   Posted: May 20, 2007 3:37 PM
I do not concur that Christopher has taken on "heavyweights", although I love his fearless denunciation of the 'straw man' of religious humanism which champions an eternally offended God Who tortures the work of His Own creation - especially those He made in His image! I look forward to the day when Christopher, along with all of mankind, including me, will fully discover that we so easily 'strain at gnats and swallow camels" - and that God, and His Christ, is great. The wine will flow (and maybe grace will allow for us to enjoy a glass or two of Johnnie Walker, I speak as a man). What a good laugh shall be enjoyed by all as we cheerfully lose our own sense of self-importance and bathe in the Light of He Who holds us all so dearly. I was not permitted to submit this without choosing 'a star rating' so I selected 5 stars in the knowledge that He shall make all things beautiful in His time.

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