Sophia Lee and Stefani McDade tell hosts Kent Annan and Jamie Aten about their personal experiences reporting on the Afghan refugee crisis—and ways they see the church responding. (As it turns out, the more you practice welcoming, the better you get at it.)

Sophia describes a difference between people who have interacted with refugees and people who have only read about them.

Stefani describes a blueprint for churches who are ready to welcome—what previous work needs to be done if you’re serious about providing infrastructure for thousands of people arriving at once.


Sophia’s story for WORLD: The Coming Wave

Stefani’s story for CT: The Afghan Immigration Crisis is Bigger, Faster, More Traumatic. Are Ministries Ready? And subsequent story for CT: Afghan Muslims are Asking Questions. These Christians Are Ready to Answer.

"On Being a Good Neighbor", sermon draft by the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

This episode produced by Laura Finch

Theme Song “Turning Over Tables” by The Brilliance

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(Note to the listener: In this podcast, sometimes we'll have evangelicals, sometimes we won't. We thinking learning how to do good better involves listening to lots of perspectives, with different insights and understanding with us. Sometimes it will make us uncomfortable, sometimes we'll agree, sometimes we won't. We think that's good. We want to listen for correction. Especially in our blind spots.)