Bob Roberts: I think cool is out. I think hype is over. People are looking for real. I don't care if you're big or you're small, they're coming to encounter God. They're looking for what's real. I think that's the biggest thing. And I think if pastors can lean into it, it's a very freeing thing because it allows you to be real.
Karl Vaters: Hi, I'm Karl and I'm a small church pastor. And welcome to Can This Work in a Small Church? My guest today is Bob Roberts and the subject is the small church in God's mission. Bob has a guest whose bio is hard to pin down, pastor author, global strategist and more. But he has a heart for Jesus, for the gospel, for people, and for the role of the small congregation in fulfilling God's mission. In this conversation, Bob and I talk about all of that in more in a freewheeling way that will have something for every church in every church leader.
And don't forget to stick around when the interview is done. I'll come back with an overview of the content and an answer to the question. Can this work in a small church?
Let's keep that conversation going because how do I, how do you categorize what you do? I read somewhere recently. What was it? They called you a modern-day missional Renaissance man. Which, which sounds like a pretty heavy title to bear, but how do you describe what you do now?
BR: I have a lot of fun with Jesus. In crazy places, crazy spaces with unlikely people. That's what I do.
KV: That is a wow. What a, what a phenomenal description of a great blessing to be able to do that.
BR: Yeah, it is, but it's not that abnormal. Here's the interesting thing. We use terms like, you know, a past and [inaudible], what he's talked and so forth.
And we look at apostles. A lot of times people think, well, they're apostle because look at all this stuff they multiplied or they grew. I don't agree with that. I think apostolic people they're not even pioneers; they're explorers. A pioneer takes what he has from somewhere else to a new place, with the same tools, same philosophy.
An explorer is going where nobody's gone before and they're kind of like Genghis Khan, they have to create it when they go into battle. They're not taking all their armaments and all their stuff with them. They got to think about, okay, what's my context? What do I have? And how do I get to where I'm going? That's an apostolic leader.
That's what the 12 apostles did. That's what the movement leaders in India and China do. That's what everybody does. I'm also obsessed with the kingdom of God. So if I ever, I'm not going to do it, but if I ever wrote a story of my life, I would write a book called The Many Conversions of Bob Roberts because I was regenerated once, but I've needed a lot of converting over the years as to what the world is, as to what the gospel is, as to who people are. How do we communicate? How do we love? How do we connect with people? Yeah. I've, I've, I've gotten saved a lot of times.