Jean Morgan: More than two thirds of the pastors were actually in the right size church. They just knew that they were where they're supposed to be.
Karl Vaters: Hi, I'm KV and I'm a small church pastor. And welcome to Can This Work In A Small Church? My podcast guest today is Jean Morgan and the subject is small church pastor personality types. Jean is a small church pastor who recently did his master's thesis on this subject: is there a correlation between the pastor's personality type and the size of their congregation?
So in this episode, Jean and I talk about the way he made this assessment, the initial results of the assessment and the possible impacts of those results for us as small church pastors.
Don't forget to stick around when the interview is done. I'll come back with an overview of the content and an answer to the question: can this work in a small church?
Well welcome, Jean Morgan, to the podcast. It is great to have you on as a guest.
JM: And it's a pleasure to be here, Karl.
KV: Jean, you and I have known each other for several years. We actually passed her in connecting towns here in Southern California, me in Fountain Valley and you in Westminster. You then all of a sudden had this crazy idea that you wanted to get a master's degree and part way through that, actually fairly close to the end of that. you got a hold of me because you had to figure out how to do a master's thesis.
And we had a couple of conversations. And so in fact, a lot of the listeners to this podcast actually have participated in the study we're going to be talking about today. So, I want to start first of all, by thanking all of you listeners who were readers, who participated in the survey.
So let's get to: what did you do? What was your master's thesis about? And how did you come to the point of doing this research? That's what we're going to be drilling in on today.
JM: God really placed in my heart that we should do a second master's degree in industrial organizational psychology, but I knew that it had to relate to the church.
And so you and I, before we really got going into this, had a discussion. You came up with some really great ideas: does personality have an impact on the size of church that you grow
KV: Specifically, the personality of the pastor.
And so doing a little bit of research, we found out that there's what is known as The Big Five or OCEAN Model: openness to experience, conscientiousness...