Podcast Episode 26, 1 hr 7 min
Destigmatizing the "M" Word (Marketing), with Austin Savage (Ep. 26)

Austin Savage: And had already done an interview about like in the past.

Karl Vaters: Yeah. And I was five minutes into it with Josh and I paused and I went, Is this the subject we were going to talk about?

And the subjects were close enough because he does media and so on that he was like, Yeah, this is good. So I just kept going. So then I'm 15 minutes to getting on with you today, and I look up the subject matter and I go, I just did that with Josh.

Austin Savage: You’re like, I was right. Oh, so crazy.

Karl Vaters: So when anybody does listen to the Josh one, we've already edited out that little piece of me going, is this the right subject? Because obviously, you know, at the time I just thought it was a blip that I did. So anyway, all of that to say…

Austin Savage: Sometimes you’ve just got to go with the flow, you know,

Karl Vaters: Yeah, you’ve just got to go with it. Sometimes things happen. So we are punting on this one today. We're calling an audible and whatever other last minute changes to football plays metaphors you want to use.

Austin Savage: Are you a football guy?

Karl Vaters: No.

Austin Savage: Okay, me either.

Karl Vaters: Oh, okay. I just used the only two metaphors I know. That's the entire thing.

Austin Savage: What was the second one? Punting and…?

Karl Vaters: And calling an audible. That's about it. You use any other football terms and I'm going to be…And I'm not even sure I used those two correctly.

Austin Savage: Yeah, they're not really the same, but I get where you were going.

Karl Vaters: Yeah. So last minute stuff happens like that, changes occur and we've got to figure it out. It's one of those things, especially in a small church context, right? I remember when I first started out in ministry, I was like, Okay, the first few weeks, like, I got so much to say, and then you're into it a couple of months and you’ve got all the other things in pastoring, and then it's the Saturday night dread of I've got nothing to say of value tomorrow, but I can't get up and say that on Sunday. I can't get up and say, I've got nothing this week. I've got to create something.

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May 16, 2022

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