Karl Vaters: Right. So you're not saying don't be on Twitter, don't be on Facebook, don't be on Instagram.
Josh Givens: Not at all.
Karl Vaters: You're saying don’t just be on those.
Josh Givens: Don't just be on there because you’re not always going to be the boss of it. You should absolutely be there. And the local church at large should be on social media a thousand percent because it is a digital mission field and a half. We should have a presence there to reach people with the gospel. There are real people that we should be reaching there all the time, 24/7. We should be putting our content out there to be seen.
Karl Vaters: Okay. So for those of us who grew up in an analog and not a digital world, would it be accurate enough a metaphor to say your website is like when you own your church building and being on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter is like going out into the park and preaching?
Josh Givens: Yes.
Karl Vaters: I own the building and whatever I do in the building is up to me to do in the building.
Josh Givens: That's right.
Karl Vaters: And so I control that, but we need to be on social media because we're supposed to go out. We're supposed to go out into the park. We're not just supposed to say, come into the building. Invitations to come to the building is part of it, so both are necessary. So would you equally say a church that has a website, but is not on social media, would you give the same message to them that they need to be on social media, just like you give to a church that is on Facebook but doesn't have a website, you gotta have a website?
Josh Givens: Yes, I would. And in fact, I have done that. So there are churches through the revitalization organization that I'm with that, you know, you came and spoke at our summit for 614 Ministries. There are a number of church that we work with where, when we have gone in and I've looked at their social media and/or website presence or their tech to assess that, I've seen, oh, you guys only have a website and you're not on social media. I would give the exact same advice. Why are you not there? And in most cases, it's because, Well, we don't want to mess with that, or the pastor doesn't understand it, or, you know, whatever. And it really is, like I said a second ago, it's a digital mission field. You’ve got to be there.