Jon Sanders: Let's ask God for the vision of how he wants to use your church to accomplish the mission that he's already defined for us in your time, in your town, in this space, and make it happen. And it'll be awesome.

Karl Vaters: Hi, I'm Karl Vaters and I’m ...

Vince Gil: This is a continuation of the gender revolution, sexual revolution. We can't ignore it. Why can't we ignore it? Because it's really eating up at the very basis of how are we defining the human being? How are we defining the self? How are we defining ourselves? ...

Jeff Hamilton: They made me go to school for 30 hours before I could press the automatic group button on the machine. And yet in 1996, they just handed me a baby.

Karl Vaters: Hi, I'm Karl Vaters and I'm a small church. And welcome to can this work in a small church? ...

Karl Vaters: Well welcome Peyton to the podcast. It's good to have you on with.

Peyton Jones: Thank you, Carl. Good to be here. You have

Karl Vaters: written a book called church plants, ology, and it is a hefty tome.

Peyton Jones: I'm not going to lie. There was 800 pages ...

Karl Vaters: So Jason, welcome today to the podcast. I sure appreciate your time.

Jason Moore:Glad to be here.

Karl Vaters: Now you started a ministry called Both/And, and with that title, it could mean virtually anything. So tell me what Both/And..., where did Both/And begin, ...

Matt Branaugh: We kind of consider it the ‘eat your vegetables’ side of ministry. No one loves to do it, but everyone should.

Karl Vaters: Hi, I'm Carl. I'm a small church pastor. And welcome to this episode of Can this Work at a Small Church? My guest today ...

Bob Roberts: I think cool is out. I think hype is over. People are looking for real. I don't care if you're big or you're small, they're coming to encounter God. They're looking for what's real. I think that's the biggest thing. And I think if pastors ...