Karl interviews Jason Moore on the subject of how to blend online & in-person worship. Jason is the founder of the Both/And seminars which helps churches of all sizes create a better worship experience for both the online audience and the in-person congregation. In this conversation, I talk to Jason about how a church of any size can use online and in-person church to make each a better experience for worshipers.
Karl Vaters: So Jason, welcome today to the podcast. I sure appreciate your time.
Jason Moore:Glad to be here.
Karl Vaters: Now you started a ministry called Both/And, and with that title, it could mean virtually anything. So tell me what Both/And..., where did Both/And begin, ...
Karl Vaters podcast guest this week is Bob Roberts Jr., a pastor, author, global strategist and more. Bob has a heart for Jesus, for the Gospel, for all kinds of people, and for the role of the small congregation in fulfilling God’s mission. In this podcast, Karl and Bob have a free-wheeling conversation that touches on many subjects, all of which can help every church and every church leader.
Bob Roberts: I think cool is out. I think hype is over. People are looking for real. I don't care if you're big or you're small, they're coming to encounter God. They're looking for what's real. I think that's the biggest thing. And I think if pastors ...
Karl Vaters and Gary Garcia have another conversation. This time, they talk about Pastoral Transition from a unique perspective. Karl was Gary’s lead pastor for 25 years, then Gary transitioned to being the lead pastor, while Karl stayed on the pastoral staff with him.
Karl Vaters: Let us begin. So Gary, welcome back to the podcast. Let's take a look at what we're going to do. Last time we talked, we talked about longevity. We talked about your longevity at the church, my longevity at the church. And first of all, whenever anybody ...
Karl Vaters and Gary Garcia have a unique relationship. They’ve worked together at the same church for 29 years. For the first 25 years Karl was Gary’s lead pastor. For the last 4 years Gary has been Karl’s lead pastor. Yes, at the same church.
Gary Garcia: I would tell pastors, man, stop chasing ministry and enjoy it. You know, that's one of the reasons I've lasted. I've enjoyed where I'm at. I've had so much fun doing ministry. Are there problems? Yes, we're, we're working with people. ...
Karl Vaters interviews Rich Brown, the author of Extended Stays: A Closer Look at Longer Pastorates. He has served for decades as a pastor and in Christian higher education. Currently he serves with IPM (Interim Pastor Ministries).
RB: As I’ve talked to young graduates, fresh out of seminary, they didn't care anything about longevity. They heard about how to candidate, they heard about how to put out their resume, but they didn't hear anything about how to stay longer.